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		<title>By: A Few Mathematical Snapshots from India (ICM2010) &#124; Combinatorics and more</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Few Mathematical Snapshots from India (ICM2010) &#124; Combinatorics and more]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and Talwar of the hereditary discrepancy analog for Erdos&#8217; discrepancy problem. See also this post in Gowers&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Talwar of the hereditary discrepancy analog for Erdos&#8217; discrepancy problem. See also this post in Gowers&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Quantum Debate is Over! (and other Updates) &#124; Combinatorics and more</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Kunal Talwar. See this post From discrepancy to privacy and back and the paper. Noga Alon and I showed that it is  and at most , and to my surprise Alexander and Kunal showed that the upper bound is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Kunal Talwar. See this post From discrepancy to privacy and back and the paper. Noga Alon and I showed that it is  and at most , and to my surprise Alexander and Kunal showed that the upper bound is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice result. It is nice to see the hereditary discrepancy of HAP being completely understood and also the relation with privacy is very nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice result. It is nice to see the hereditary discrepancy of HAP being completely understood and also the relation with privacy is very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasho Nikolov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sasho Nikolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By request from Gil: you can read another perspective on the results above in a blog post Kunal posted on an MS Research computer science theory blog: http://windowsontheory.org/2012/09/05/from-discrepancy-to-privacy-and-back/. The post focuses on connections with computer science (specifically differential privacy) that gave us some intuition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By request from Gil: you can read another perspective on the results above in a blog post Kunal posted on an MS Research computer science theory blog: <a href="http://windowsontheory.org/2012/09/05/from-discrepancy-to-privacy-and-back/" rel="nofollow">http://windowsontheory.org/2012/09/05/from-discrepancy-to-privacy-and-back/</a>. The post focuses on connections with computer science (specifically differential privacy) that gave us some intuition.</p>
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		<title>By: From Discrepancy to Privacy, and back &#171; Windows On Theory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[From Discrepancy to Privacy, and back &#171; Windows On Theory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the EDP, it is natural to ask how large the hereditary discrepancy is. Alon and Kalai show that it is  and at most . They also showed that for constant , it is possible to delete an  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the EDP, it is natural to ask how large the hereditary discrepancy is. Alon and Kalai show that it is  and at most . They also showed that for constant , it is possible to delete an  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sasho Nikolov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sasho Nikolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week Kunal Talwar and I thought a bit about the hereditary discrepancy of HAPs. We can show that the hereditary discrepancy is not polylogarithmic; in fact it is $latex n^{1/O(\log \log n)}$, which, as the upper bound in Gil&#039;s post shows is tight up to the constant in the exponent.

Below I am writing a sketch of how the proof goes. Since the proof itself got a bit long, we wrote a note: you can find it &lt;a href=&quot;http://paul.rutgers.edu/~anikolov/Files/EDP.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

(1) Consider the following set system of boolean subcubes, let&#039;s call it $latex \mathcal{S}^d$. Each element of the ground set is identified with a boolean vector $latex u \in \{0, 1\}^d$. We get each set from fixing some of the coordinates and leaving the other ones free. That is, each set $latex S_v$ is associated with a vector $latex v \in \{0, 1, *\}$ and consists of those $latex u \in \{0, 1\}^d$ for which $latex u_i = v_i$ whenever $latex v_i \neq *$.

(2) We construct a set of positive integers $latex B$ by associating an integer to each boolean vector $latex u \in \{0, 1\}^d$ so that each $latex S_v \in \mathcal{S}^d$ corresponds to a HAP restricted to $latex B$. This is not hard and is similar to the construction in the post. We pick the first $latex 2d$ primes $latex p_{1, 0}, p_{1, 1}, \ldots, p_{d, 0}, p_{d, 1}$ and associate $latex \prod{p_{i, u_i}}$ to each $latex u \in \{0, 1\}^d$. The set $latex S_v$ corresponds to the HAP with difference $latex \prod_{v_i \neq *}{p_{i, v_i}}$.

(3) We show that $latex \mathsf{herdisc}(\mathcal{S}^d) = 2^{\Omega(d)}$

This proceeds in two steps:

3.1 Use the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=19023&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;determinant lower bound&lt;/a&gt; of Lovasz, Spencer, and Vesztergombi to show that the matrix of Fourier characters of $latex \mathbb{F}_2^d$ of weight $latex \alpha d$ ($latex \alpha &lt;1$ a constant) has hereditary discrepancy $latex {d \choose \alpha d}$. Call this matrix $latex G$

3.2. Show that $latex \mathsf{herdisc}(G) \leq 2^{\alpha d} \mathsf{herdisc}(\mathcal{S}^d)$. This goes by writing a character of weight $latex \alpha d$ as a linear combination of $latex 2^{\alpha d}$ indicator vectors of subcubes. This is possible since a character of weight $latex \alpha d$ is a function of $latex \alpha d$ components. 

We can choose $latex \alpha$ so that 3.1 and 3.2 imply (3).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week Kunal Talwar and I thought a bit about the hereditary discrepancy of HAPs. We can show that the hereditary discrepancy is not polylogarithmic; in fact it is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n%5E%7B1%2FO%28%5Clog+%5Clog+n%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n^{1/O(&#92;log &#92;log n)}' title='n^{1/O(&#92;log &#92;log n)}' class='latex' />, which, as the upper bound in Gil&#8217;s post shows is tight up to the constant in the exponent.</p>
<p>Below I am writing a sketch of how the proof goes. Since the proof itself got a bit long, we wrote a note: you can find it <a href="http://paul.rutgers.edu/~anikolov/Files/EDP.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>(1) Consider the following set system of boolean subcubes, let&#8217;s call it <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathcal%7BS%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathcal{S}^d' title='&#92;mathcal{S}^d' class='latex' />. Each element of the ground set is identified with a boolean vector <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u+%5Cin+%5C%7B0%2C+1%5C%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' title='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' class='latex' />. We get each set from fixing some of the coordinates and leaving the other ones free. That is, each set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=S_v&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='S_v' title='S_v' class='latex' /> is associated with a vector <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v+%5Cin+%5C%7B0%2C+1%2C+%2A%5C%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v &#92;in &#92;{0, 1, *&#92;}' title='v &#92;in &#92;{0, 1, *&#92;}' class='latex' /> and consists of those <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u+%5Cin+%5C%7B0%2C+1%5C%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' title='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' class='latex' /> for which <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u_i+%3D+v_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u_i = v_i' title='u_i = v_i' class='latex' /> whenever <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v_i+%5Cneq+%2A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v_i &#92;neq *' title='v_i &#92;neq *' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>(2) We construct a set of positive integers <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=B&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='B' title='B' class='latex' /> by associating an integer to each boolean vector <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u+%5Cin+%5C%7B0%2C+1%5C%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' title='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' class='latex' /> so that each <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=S_v+%5Cin+%5Cmathcal%7BS%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='S_v &#92;in &#92;mathcal{S}^d' title='S_v &#92;in &#92;mathcal{S}^d' class='latex' /> corresponds to a HAP restricted to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=B&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='B' title='B' class='latex' />. This is not hard and is similar to the construction in the post. We pick the first <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=2d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='2d' title='2d' class='latex' /> primes <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=p_%7B1%2C+0%7D%2C+p_%7B1%2C+1%7D%2C+%5Cldots%2C+p_%7Bd%2C+0%7D%2C+p_%7Bd%2C+1%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='p_{1, 0}, p_{1, 1}, &#92;ldots, p_{d, 0}, p_{d, 1}' title='p_{1, 0}, p_{1, 1}, &#92;ldots, p_{d, 0}, p_{d, 1}' class='latex' /> and associate <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cprod%7Bp_%7Bi%2C+u_i%7D%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;prod{p_{i, u_i}}' title='&#92;prod{p_{i, u_i}}' class='latex' /> to each <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u+%5Cin+%5C%7B0%2C+1%5C%7D%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' title='u &#92;in &#92;{0, 1&#92;}^d' class='latex' />. The set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=S_v&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='S_v' title='S_v' class='latex' /> corresponds to the HAP with difference <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cprod_%7Bv_i+%5Cneq+%2A%7D%7Bp_%7Bi%2C+v_i%7D%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;prod_{v_i &#92;neq *}{p_{i, v_i}}' title='&#92;prod_{v_i &#92;neq *}{p_{i, v_i}}' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>(3) We show that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28%5Cmathcal%7BS%7D%5Ed%29+%3D+2%5E%7B%5COmega%28d%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{herdisc}(&#92;mathcal{S}^d) = 2^{&#92;Omega(d)}' title='&#92;mathsf{herdisc}(&#92;mathcal{S}^d) = 2^{&#92;Omega(d)}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>This proceeds in two steps:</p>
<p>3.1 Use the <a href="http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=19023" rel="nofollow">determinant lower bound</a> of Lovasz, Spencer, and Vesztergombi to show that the matrix of Fourier characters of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BF%7D_2%5Ed&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathbb{F}_2^d' title='&#92;mathbb{F}_2^d' class='latex' /> of weight <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha+d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha d' title='&#92;alpha d' class='latex' /> (<img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha+%3C1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha &lt;1' title='&#92;alpha &lt;1' class='latex' /> a constant) has hereditary discrepancy <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bd+%5Cchoose+%5Calpha+d%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='{d &#92;choose &#92;alpha d}' title='{d &#92;choose &#92;alpha d}' class='latex' />. Call this matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' /></p>
<p>3.2. Show that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28G%29+%5Cleq+2%5E%7B%5Calpha+d%7D+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28%5Cmathcal%7BS%7D%5Ed%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{herdisc}(G) &#92;leq 2^{&#92;alpha d} &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(&#92;mathcal{S}^d)' title='&#92;mathsf{herdisc}(G) &#92;leq 2^{&#92;alpha d} &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(&#92;mathcal{S}^d)' class='latex' />. This goes by writing a character of weight <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha+d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha d' title='&#92;alpha d' class='latex' /> as a linear combination of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=2%5E%7B%5Calpha+d%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='2^{&#92;alpha d}' title='2^{&#92;alpha d}' class='latex' /> indicator vectors of subcubes. This is possible since a character of weight <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha+d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha d' title='&#92;alpha d' class='latex' /> is a function of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha+d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha d' title='&#92;alpha d' class='latex' /> components. </p>
<p>We can choose <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Calpha&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;alpha' title='&#92;alpha' class='latex' /> so that 3.1 and 3.2 imply (3).</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 08:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Sune, if you can tell me what the statement following &quot;such that&quot; was supposed to be, then I will edit the comment. Tim &lt;/em&gt;

Dear GIl, yes it seems to be almost the same. Two Beurling&#039;s integers are also allowed to correspond to the same real number, and that corresponds to the statement that we can have pseudo-integers a and b such that a&lt;b&gt;b^{n}$ for all n. The only difference seems to be that pseudointegers have a complete ordering. The ordering of the Beurling&#039;s integers come from a (possible not injective) map to the reals, so it might not be complete. But that is just a little extra structure so in the following I will use &quot;Buerling&#039;s integers&quot; to mean what I used to call &quot;pseudo integers&quot;

I think that if you have a set of Beurling&#039;s integers then for all n, the set of the first n of these Beurling&#039;s integers will be isomorphic to a subset of $latex \mathbb{N}$, and I think you lose this property if you generalise further.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sune, if you can tell me what the statement following &#8220;such that&#8221; was supposed to be, then I will edit the comment. Tim </em></p>
<p>Dear GIl, yes it seems to be almost the same. Two Beurling&#8217;s integers are also allowed to correspond to the same real number, and that corresponds to the statement that we can have pseudo-integers a and b such that a<b>b^{n}$ for all n. The only difference seems to be that pseudointegers have a complete ordering. The ordering of the Beurling&#8217;s integers come from a (possible not injective) map to the reals, so it might not be complete. But that is just a little extra structure so in the following I will use &#8220;Buerling&#8217;s integers&#8221; to mean what I used to call &#8220;pseudo integers&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that if you have a set of Beurling&#8217;s integers then for all n, the set of the first n of these Beurling&#8217;s integers will be isomorphic to a subset of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BN%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathbb{N}' title='&#92;mathbb{N}' class='latex' />, and I think you lose this property if you generalise further.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sune, it somehow looks to me that your pseudo-integers are the same as Beurling&#039;s integers. Maybe we can relax your definition and insist that c and d are relatively prime to a and b to get a more general notion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sune, it somehow looks to me that your pseudo-integers are the same as Beurling&#8217;s integers. Maybe we can relax your definition and insist that c and d are relatively prime to a and b to get a more general notion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We can also construct examples where the multiplicative EDP is true, by having arbitrarily long runs of consecutive squares.&quot; That does not hold: We can&#039;t have two consecutive pseudointeger that are square in any set of pseudointegers. Assume for contradiction that x and y are consecutive and squares. We can write them as $latex x=a^2$ and $latex y=b^2$. But then $latex a^2&lt;ab&lt;b^2$, contradiction.

So I still haven&#039;t found a set of pseudointeger where I can prove EDP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We can also construct examples where the multiplicative EDP is true, by having arbitrarily long runs of consecutive squares.&#8221; That does not hold: We can&#8217;t have two consecutive pseudointeger that are square in any set of pseudointegers. Assume for contradiction that x and y are consecutive and squares. We can write them as <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x%3Da%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x=a^2' title='x=a^2' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=y%3Db%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='y=b^2' title='y=b^2' class='latex' />. But then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=a%5E2%3Cab%3Cb%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='a^2&lt;ab&lt;b^2' title='a^2&lt;ab&lt;b^2' class='latex' />, contradiction.</p>
<p>So I still haven&#039;t found a set of pseudointeger where I can prove EDP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant the hereditary discrepancy. (for discrepancy there are esaier things that can be done..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant the hereditary discrepancy. (for discrepancy there are esaier things that can be done..)</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-22403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it is worth adding also 

&lt;strong&gt;Proposition 5:&lt;/strong&gt; For every $latex \epsilon&gt;0$ there is a set of the natural numbers of density $latex 1-\epsilon$ such that restricted to this set the discrepancy of HAPs in {1,2,...,n} is at most polylog (n).
&lt;strong&gt;Proof: &lt;/strong&gt;Simply consider natural numbers with at most $latex K \log \log n$ prime factors for sifficiently large $latex K$, and apply Proposition 2

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it is worth adding also </p>
<p><strong>Proposition 5:</strong> For every <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cepsilon%3E0&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;epsilon&gt;0' title='&#92;epsilon&gt;0' class='latex' /> there is a set of the natural numbers of density <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=1-%5Cepsilon&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='1-&#92;epsilon' title='1-&#92;epsilon' class='latex' /> such that restricted to this set the discrepancy of HAPs in {1,2,&#8230;,n} is at most polylog (n).<br />
<strong>Proof: </strong>Simply consider natural numbers with at most <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K+%5Clog+%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K &#92;log &#92;log n' title='K &#92;log &#92;log n' class='latex' /> prime factors for sifficiently large <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K' title='K' class='latex' />, and apply Proposition 2</p>
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		<title>By: Looking Again at Erdős’ Discrepancy Problem &#124; Combinatorics and more</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Looking Again at Erdős’ Discrepancy Problem &#124; Combinatorics and more]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Autumn I prepared three posts on the problems and we decided to launch them now. The first post is here. Here is a related MathOverflow question. Discrepancy theory is a wonderful theory and while I am [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Autumn I prepared three posts on the problems and we decided to launch them now. The first post is here. Here is a related MathOverflow question. Discrepancy theory is a wonderful theory and while I am [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-22300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sasho, This is very interesting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sasho, This is very interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Edgington</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-22293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Edgington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry Tao&#039;s reduction of the problem to one about multiplicative sequences (described &lt;a href=&quot;http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Fourier_reduction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) also invites a class of negative attacks that may conceivably be easier than the direct search for a counterexample. Namely, can one find a method of generating a &lt;em&gt;random&lt;/em&gt; multiplicative sequence $latex g : \mathbb{Z}^+ \to S^1$ such that (with respect to the resulting random distributiom) the &lt;em&gt;expectation&lt;/em&gt; of $latex \lvert g(1) + \ldots + g(n) \rvert ^ 2$ is bounded as a function of $latex n$? Such a method would (as shown at the bottom of that wiki page) imply a counterexample to the Hilbert-space version of EDP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Tao&#8217;s reduction of the problem to one about multiplicative sequences (described <a href="http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Fourier_reduction" rel="nofollow">here</a>) also invites a class of negative attacks that may conceivably be easier than the direct search for a counterexample. Namely, can one find a method of generating a <em>random</em> multiplicative sequence <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=g+%3A+%5Cmathbb%7BZ%7D%5E%2B+%5Cto+S%5E1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='g : &#92;mathbb{Z}^+ &#92;to S^1' title='g : &#92;mathbb{Z}^+ &#92;to S^1' class='latex' /> such that (with respect to the resulting random distributiom) the <em>expectation</em> of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clvert+g%281%29+%2B+%5Cldots+%2B+g%28n%29+%5Crvert+%5E+2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;lvert g(1) + &#92;ldots + g(n) &#92;rvert ^ 2' title='&#92;lvert g(1) + &#92;ldots + g(n) &#92;rvert ^ 2' class='latex' /> is bounded as a function of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n' title='n' class='latex' />? Such a method would (as shown at the bottom of that wiki page) imply a counterexample to the Hilbert-space version of EDP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some information regarding greedy algorithm 2 can be found in 
Robert Lemke Oliver&#039;s answer to this MathOverflow question
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/105383/the-behavior-of-a-certain-greedy-algorithm-for-erds-discrepancy-problem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some information regarding greedy algorithm 2 can be found in<br />
Robert Lemke Oliver&#8217;s answer to this MathOverflow question<br />
<a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/105383/the-behavior-of-a-certain-greedy-algorithm-for-erds-discrepancy-problem" rel="nofollow">http://mathoverflow.net/questions/105383/the-behavior-of-a-certain-greedy-algorithm-for-erds-discrepancy-problem</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sasho Nikolov</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-22276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sasho Nikolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, the above didn&#039;t parse right, I am not very good with this wordpress-latex thing..

Some notes on the operation on hypergraphs. The short version of this comment is that Prop 2 can be tightened, and also generalized to show that the operation on hypergraphs increases hereditary discrepancy by at most a polylog factor. 

1) Prop 2 holds with the bound $latex O(\sqrt{d}(\log n)^{3/2})$ (assuming the number of sets of $latex H$ is $latex n^{O(1)}$). This follows from the following theorem by Banaszczyk: 

 For any convex set $latex K\subseteq \mathbb{R}^m$ of gaussian measure at least 1/2 and any set of vectors $latex v_1, \ldots, v_n \in \mathbb{R}^m$ each of euclidean norm at most 1/10, one can find a $latex x \in \{-1, +1\}^n$ such that $latex \sum{x_i v_i} \in K$. 

Let $latex M$ be the incidence matrix of $latex H&#039;$ (as you define it in your proof). Scale down the columns of $latex M$ by $latex 1/(C\sqrt{d\log n})$ for a large enough constant $latex C$ so that each column has norm at most 1/10 and let the scaled columns be $latex v_1, \ldots, v_n$. 

Let $latex L$ be the incidence matrix of $latex G$ and $latex N$ be such that $latex L = NM$. As you argue, each row of $latex N$ can be taken to be a 0-1 vector with at most $latex \log n$ 1&#039;s, so each row of $latex N$ can be taken to have euclidean norm $latex \sqrt{\log n}$. Define $latex K = \{y: \&#124;Ny\&#124;_\infty \leq C&#039; \log n\}$. Clearly $latex K$ is convex and for large enough $latex C&#039;$ has gaussian measure at least 1/2. By Banaszczyk&#039;s theorem, we can find $latex x$ such that $latex \sum{x_i v_i} \in K$, and scaling $latex (v_i)$ back up we have found $latex x$ such that $latex \&#124;Lx\&#124;_\infty = \&#124;NMx\&#124;_\infty = O(\sqrt{d}(\log n)^{3/2})$. 

2) If $latex G$ is the result of applying the transformation on $latex H$ and $latex H$ has $latex n^{O(1)}$ sets, $latex \mathsf{disc}(G) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H) (\log n)^{3}$. 

The proof is similar to yours. Take $latex G_1$ be the result of replacing each set $latex A \in H$ with $latex A \cap X_1$ and $latex A \cap X_2$; $latex G_2$: the result of replacing $latex A$ with $latex A \cap X_{ij}$ for all $latex i, j$ and so forth. This gives us $latex G_1, \ldots G_k$ for $latex k = O(\log n)$. Since each $latex G_i$ is the union of *disjoint* restrictions of $latex H$, for all $latex i$ we have $latex \mathsf{disc}(G_i) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H)$. Then $latex H&#039; = G_1 \cup \ldots \cup G_k$ and by a recent result of Matousek, $latex \mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(\log^2 n)$. Finally, as you argue, $latex \mathsf{disc}(H) \leq \mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)\log n$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, the above didn&#8217;t parse right, I am not very good with this wordpress-latex thing..</p>
<p>Some notes on the operation on hypergraphs. The short version of this comment is that Prop 2 can be tightened, and also generalized to show that the operation on hypergraphs increases hereditary discrepancy by at most a polylog factor. </p>
<p>1) Prop 2 holds with the bound <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=O%28%5Csqrt%7Bd%7D%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%2F2%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' title='O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' class='latex' /> (assuming the number of sets of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n%5E%7BO%281%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n^{O(1)}' title='n^{O(1)}' class='latex' />). This follows from the following theorem by Banaszczyk: </p>
<p> For any convex set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K%5Csubseteq+%5Cmathbb%7BR%7D%5Em&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K&#92;subseteq &#92;mathbb{R}^m' title='K&#92;subseteq &#92;mathbb{R}^m' class='latex' /> of gaussian measure at least 1/2 and any set of vectors <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v_1%2C+%5Cldots%2C+v_n+%5Cin+%5Cmathbb%7BR%7D%5Em&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n &#92;in &#92;mathbb{R}^m' title='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n &#92;in &#92;mathbb{R}^m' class='latex' /> each of euclidean norm at most 1/10, one can find a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x+%5Cin+%5C%7B-1%2C+%2B1%5C%7D%5En&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x &#92;in &#92;{-1, +1&#92;}^n' title='x &#92;in &#92;{-1, +1&#92;}^n' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum%7Bx_i+v_i%7D+%5Cin+K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' title='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>Let <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M' title='M' class='latex' /> be the incidence matrix of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H&#039;' title='H&#039;' class='latex' /> (as you define it in your proof). Scale down the columns of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M' title='M' class='latex' /> by <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=1%2F%28C%5Csqrt%7Bd%5Clog+n%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='1/(C&#92;sqrt{d&#92;log n})' title='1/(C&#92;sqrt{d&#92;log n})' class='latex' /> for a large enough constant <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='C' title='C' class='latex' /> so that each column has norm at most 1/10 and let the scaled columns be <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v_1%2C+%5Cldots%2C+v_n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n' title='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>Let <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=L&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='L' title='L' class='latex' /> be the incidence matrix of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> be such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=L+%3D+NM&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='L = NM' title='L = NM' class='latex' />. As you argue, each row of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> can be taken to be a 0-1 vector with at most <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;log n' title='&#92;log n' class='latex' /> 1&#8242;s, so each row of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> can be taken to have euclidean norm <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csqrt%7B%5Clog+n%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sqrt{&#92;log n}' title='&#92;sqrt{&#92;log n}' class='latex' />. Define <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K+%3D+%5C%7By%3A+%5C%7CNy%5C%7C_%5Cinfty+%5Cleq+C%27+%5Clog+n%5C%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K = &#92;{y: &#92;|Ny&#92;|_&#92;infty &#92;leq C&#039; &#92;log n&#92;}' title='K = &#92;{y: &#92;|Ny&#92;|_&#92;infty &#92;leq C&#039; &#92;log n&#92;}' class='latex' />. Clearly <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K' title='K' class='latex' /> is convex and for large enough <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=C%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='C&#039;' title='C&#039;' class='latex' /> has gaussian measure at least 1/2. By Banaszczyk&#8217;s theorem, we can find <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x' title='x' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum%7Bx_i+v_i%7D+%5Cin+K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' title='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' class='latex' />, and scaling <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%28v_i%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='(v_i)' title='(v_i)' class='latex' /> back up we have found <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x' title='x' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5C%7CLx%5C%7C_%5Cinfty+%3D+%5C%7CNMx%5C%7C_%5Cinfty+%3D+O%28%5Csqrt%7Bd%7D%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%2F2%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;|Lx&#92;|_&#92;infty = &#92;|NMx&#92;|_&#92;infty = O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' title='&#92;|Lx&#92;|_&#92;infty = &#92;|NMx&#92;|_&#92;infty = O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>2) If <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' /> is the result of applying the transformation on <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> has <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n%5E%7BO%281%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n^{O(1)}' title='n^{O(1)}' class='latex' /> sets, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28G%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29+%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) (&#92;log n)^{3}' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) (&#92;log n)^{3}' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>The proof is similar to yours. Take <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_1' title='G_1' class='latex' /> be the result of replacing each set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Cin+H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;in H' title='A &#92;in H' class='latex' /> with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_1' title='A &#92;cap X_1' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_2' title='A &#92;cap X_2' class='latex' />; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_2' title='G_2' class='latex' />: the result of replacing <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_%7Bij%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_{ij}' title='A &#92;cap X_{ij}' class='latex' /> for all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%2C+j&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='i, j' title='i, j' class='latex' /> and so forth. This gives us <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_1%2C+%5Cldots+G_k&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_1, &#92;ldots G_k' title='G_1, &#92;ldots G_k' class='latex' /> for <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=k+%3D+O%28%5Clog+n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='k = O(&#92;log n)' title='k = O(&#92;log n)' class='latex' />. Since each <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_i' title='G_i' class='latex' /> is the union of *disjoint* restrictions of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' />, for all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='i' title='i' class='latex' /> we have <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28G_i%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G_i) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H)' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G_i) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H)' class='latex' />. Then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H%27+%3D+G_1+%5Ccup+%5Cldots+%5Ccup+G_k&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H&#039; = G_1 &#92;cup &#92;ldots &#92;cup G_k' title='H&#039; = G_1 &#92;cup &#92;ldots &#92;cup G_k' class='latex' /> and by a recent result of Matousek, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%27%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29+O%28%5Clog%5E2+n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(&#92;log^2 n)' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(&#92;log^2 n)' class='latex' />. Finally, as you argue, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%27%29%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)&#92;log n' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)&#92;log n' class='latex' />.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasho Nikolov</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-22275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sasho Nikolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting post!

Some notes on the operation on hypergraphs. The short version of this comment is that Prop 2 can be tightened, and also generalized to show that the operation on hypergraphs increases hereditary discrepancy by at most a polylog factor. 

1) Prop 2 holds with the bound $latex O(\sqrt{d}(\log n)^{3/2}) (assuming the number of sets of $latex H$ is $latex n^{O(1)}$). This follows from the following theorem by Banaszczyk: 

&gt; For any convex set $latex K\subseteq \mathbb{R}^m$ of gaussian measure at least 1/2 and any set of vectors $latex v_1, \ldots, v_n \in \mathbb{R}^m$ each of euclidean norm at most 1/10, one can find a $latex x \in \{-1, +1\}^n$ such that $latex \sum{x_i v_i \in K$. 

Let $latex M$ be the incidence matrix of $latex H&#039;$ (as you define it in your proof). Scale down the columns of $latex M$ by $latex 1/(C\sqrt{d\log n})$ for a large enough constant $latex C$ so that each column has norm at most 1/10 and let the scaled columns be $latex v_1, \ldots, v_n$. 

Let $latex L$ be the incidence matrix of $latex G$ and $latex N$ be such that $latex L = NM$. As you argue, each row of $latex N$ can be taken to be a 0-1 vector with at most $latex \log n$ 1&#039;s, so each row of $latex N$ can be taken to have euclidean norm $latex \sqrt{\log n}$. Define $latex K = \{y: \&#124;Ny\&#124;_\infty \leq C&#039; \log n\}$. Clearly $latex K$ is convex and for large enough $latex C&#039;$ has gaussian measure at least 1/2. By Banaszczyk&#039;s theorem, we can find $latex x$ such that $latex \sum{x_i v_i} \in K$, and scaling $latex (v_i)$ back up we have found $latex x$ such that $latex \&#124;Lx\&#124;_\infty = \&#124;NMx\&#124;_infty = O(\sqrt{d}(\log n)^{3/2})$. 

2) If $latex G$ is the result of applying the transformation on $latex H$ and $latex H$ has $latex n^{O(1)}$ sets, $latex \mathsf{disc}(G) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H) (\log n)^{3}$. 

The proof is similar to yours. Take $latex G_1$ be the result of replacing each set $latex A \in H$ with $latex A \cap X_1$ and $latex A \cap X_2$; $latex G_2$: the result of replacing $latex A$ with $latex A \cap X_{ij}$ for all $latex i, j$ and so forth. This gives us $latex G_1, \ldots G_k$ for $latex k = O(\log n)$. Since each $latex G_i$ is the union of *disjoint* restrictions of $latex H$, for all $latex i$ we have $latex \mathsf{disc}(G_i) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H)$. Then $latex H&#039; = G_1 \cup \ldots \cup G_k$ and by a recent result of Matousek, $latex \mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) \leq \mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(\log^2 n)$. Finally, as you argue, $latex \mathsf{disc}(H) \leq \mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)\log n$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post!</p>
<p>Some notes on the operation on hypergraphs. The short version of this comment is that Prop 2 can be tightened, and also generalized to show that the operation on hypergraphs increases hereditary discrepancy by at most a polylog factor. </p>
<p>1) Prop 2 holds with the bound <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=O%28%5Csqrt%7Bd%7D%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%2F2%7D%29+%28assuming+the+number+of+sets+of+&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2}) (assuming the number of sets of ' title='O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2}) (assuming the number of sets of ' class='latex' />latex H$ is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n%5E%7BO%281%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n^{O(1)}' title='n^{O(1)}' class='latex' />). This follows from the following theorem by Banaszczyk: </p>
<p>&gt; For any convex set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K%5Csubseteq+%5Cmathbb%7BR%7D%5Em&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K&#92;subseteq &#92;mathbb{R}^m' title='K&#92;subseteq &#92;mathbb{R}^m' class='latex' /> of gaussian measure at least 1/2 and any set of vectors <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v_1%2C+%5Cldots%2C+v_n+%5Cin+%5Cmathbb%7BR%7D%5Em&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n &#92;in &#92;mathbb{R}^m' title='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n &#92;in &#92;mathbb{R}^m' class='latex' /> each of euclidean norm at most 1/10, one can find a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x+%5Cin+%5C%7B-1%2C+%2B1%5C%7D%5En&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x &#92;in &#92;{-1, +1&#92;}^n' title='x &#92;in &#92;{-1, +1&#92;}^n' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum%7Bx_i+v_i+%5Cin+K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum{x_i v_i &#92;in K' title='&#92;sum{x_i v_i &#92;in K' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>Let <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M' title='M' class='latex' /> be the incidence matrix of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H&#039;' title='H&#039;' class='latex' /> (as you define it in your proof). Scale down the columns of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M' title='M' class='latex' /> by <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=1%2F%28C%5Csqrt%7Bd%5Clog+n%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='1/(C&#92;sqrt{d&#92;log n})' title='1/(C&#92;sqrt{d&#92;log n})' class='latex' /> for a large enough constant <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='C' title='C' class='latex' /> so that each column has norm at most 1/10 and let the scaled columns be <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=v_1%2C+%5Cldots%2C+v_n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n' title='v_1, &#92;ldots, v_n' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>Let <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=L&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='L' title='L' class='latex' /> be the incidence matrix of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> be such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=L+%3D+NM&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='L = NM' title='L = NM' class='latex' />. As you argue, each row of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> can be taken to be a 0-1 vector with at most <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;log n' title='&#92;log n' class='latex' /> 1&#8242;s, so each row of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> can be taken to have euclidean norm <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csqrt%7B%5Clog+n%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sqrt{&#92;log n}' title='&#92;sqrt{&#92;log n}' class='latex' />. Define <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K+%3D+%5C%7By%3A+%5C%7CNy%5C%7C_%5Cinfty+%5Cleq+C%27+%5Clog+n%5C%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K = &#92;{y: &#92;|Ny&#92;|_&#92;infty &#92;leq C&#039; &#92;log n&#92;}' title='K = &#92;{y: &#92;|Ny&#92;|_&#92;infty &#92;leq C&#039; &#92;log n&#92;}' class='latex' />. Clearly <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='K' title='K' class='latex' /> is convex and for large enough <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=C%27&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='C&#039;' title='C&#039;' class='latex' /> has gaussian measure at least 1/2. By Banaszczyk&#8217;s theorem, we can find <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x' title='x' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum%7Bx_i+v_i%7D+%5Cin+K&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' title='&#92;sum{x_i v_i} &#92;in K' class='latex' />, and scaling <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%28v_i%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='(v_i)' title='(v_i)' class='latex' /> back up we have found <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x' title='x' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5C%7CLx%5C%7C_%5Cinfty+%3D+%5C%7CNMx%5C%7C_infty+%3D+O%28%5Csqrt%7Bd%7D%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%2F2%7D%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;|Lx&#92;|_&#92;infty = &#92;|NMx&#92;|_infty = O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' title='&#92;|Lx&#92;|_&#92;infty = &#92;|NMx&#92;|_infty = O(&#92;sqrt{d}(&#92;log n)^{3/2})' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>2) If <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G' title='G' class='latex' /> is the result of applying the transformation on <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' /> has <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n%5E%7BO%281%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n^{O(1)}' title='n^{O(1)}' class='latex' /> sets, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28G%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29+%28%5Clog+n%29%5E%7B3%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) (&#92;log n)^{3}' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) (&#92;log n)^{3}' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>The proof is similar to yours. Take <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_1' title='G_1' class='latex' /> be the result of replacing each set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Cin+H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;in H' title='A &#92;in H' class='latex' /> with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_1' title='A &#92;cap X_1' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_2' title='A &#92;cap X_2' class='latex' />; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_2' title='G_2' class='latex' />: the result of replacing <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%5Ccap+X_%7Bij%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A &#92;cap X_{ij}' title='A &#92;cap X_{ij}' class='latex' /> for all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%2C+j&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='i, j' title='i, j' class='latex' /> and so forth. This gives us <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_1%2C+%5Cldots+G_k&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_1, &#92;ldots G_k' title='G_1, &#92;ldots G_k' class='latex' /> for <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=k+%3D+O%28%5Clog+n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='k = O(&#92;log n)' title='k = O(&#92;log n)' class='latex' />. Since each <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=G_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='G_i' title='G_i' class='latex' /> is the union of *disjoint* restrictions of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H' title='H' class='latex' />, for all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='i' title='i' class='latex' /> we have <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28G_i%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G_i) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H)' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(G_i) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H)' class='latex' />. Then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=H%27+%3D+G_1+%5Ccup+%5Cldots+%5Ccup+G_k&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='H&#039; = G_1 &#92;cup &#92;ldots &#92;cup G_k' title='H&#039; = G_1 &#92;cup &#92;ldots &#92;cup G_k' class='latex' /> and by a recent result of Matousek, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%27%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bherdisc%7D%28H%29+O%28%5Clog%5E2+n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(&#92;log^2 n)' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{herdisc}(H) O(&#92;log^2 n)' class='latex' />. Finally, as you argue, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%29+%5Cleq+%5Cmathsf%7Bdisc%7D%28H%27%29%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)&#92;log n' title='&#92;mathsf{disc}(H) &#92;leq &#92;mathsf{disc}(H&#039;)&#92;log n' class='latex' />.</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1): Yes, here: http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/edp7-emergency-post/#comment-6120 (as a reply to the comment you linked to. I couldn&#039;t remember it before I read it). 

We can also construct examples where the multiplicative EDP is true, by having arbitrarily long runs of consecutive squares.

2) No. I remember that I didn&#039;t understood Tao&#039;s proof, at least not well enough to check if it worked for the pseudointegers. I had hoped Tao could tell if it works!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1): Yes, here: <a href="http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/edp7-emergency-post/#comment-6120" rel="nofollow">http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/edp7-emergency-post/#comment-6120</a> (as a reply to the comment you linked to. I couldn&#8217;t remember it before I read it). </p>
<p>We can also construct examples where the multiplicative EDP is true, by having arbitrarily long runs of consecutive squares.</p>
<p>2) No. I remember that I didn&#8217;t understood Tao&#8217;s proof, at least not well enough to check if it worked for the pseudointegers. I had hoped Tao could tell if it works!</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sune, I found your pseudointegers very interesting. I just remind the reasers that they can be regarded as total order relations on the positive integers, where a&lt;b implies ac&lt;bc and there are only finitely many integers smaller than any number n. For example you can ask: if the number of integers smaller than a prime p is roughly p
does this implies the statement of the prime number theorem? (Something of this kind is known for Beurling primes.) Two further questions: 1) I dont remember if you had examples for your pseudoprimes where EDP was violated? 2) Did you check if Tao&#039;s reduction works in this generality?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sune, I found your pseudointegers very interesting. I just remind the reasers that they can be regarded as total order relations on the positive integers, where a&lt;b implies ac&lt;bc and there are only finitely many integers smaller than any number n. For example you can ask: if the number of integers smaller than a prime p is roughly p<br />
does this implies the statement of the prime number theorem? (Something of this kind is known for Beurling primes.) Two further questions: 1) I dont remember if you had examples for your pseudoprimes where EDP was violated? 2) Did you check if Tao&#039;s reduction works in this generality?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Edgington</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Edgington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could combine the two ideas, by considering $latex E(k,n)$, the minimal HAP-discrepancy over sequences $latex f : \mathbb{Z}^+ \to \{\pm 1, 0\}$ where $latex f(r) = 0$ for at most $latex k$ values of $latex r$ in the range $latex [1,n]$ (and there&#039;s no restriction for values greater than $latex n$).

Then your $latex E(n)$ is just $latex E(0,n)$, and $latex Z(p) = \lim_{n \to \infty} E(pn, n)$.

It could be interesting to think specifically about where the zero values should be placed in order to minimize the discrepancy in this context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could combine the two ideas, by considering <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=E%28k%2Cn%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='E(k,n)' title='E(k,n)' class='latex' />, the minimal HAP-discrepancy over sequences <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=f+%3A+%5Cmathbb%7BZ%7D%5E%2B+%5Cto+%5C%7B%5Cpm+1%2C+0%5C%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='f : &#92;mathbb{Z}^+ &#92;to &#92;{&#92;pm 1, 0&#92;}' title='f : &#92;mathbb{Z}^+ &#92;to &#92;{&#92;pm 1, 0&#92;}' class='latex' /> where <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=f%28r%29+%3D+0&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='f(r) = 0' title='f(r) = 0' class='latex' /> for at most <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=k&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='k' title='k' class='latex' /> values of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=r&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='r' title='r' class='latex' /> in the range <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5B1%2Cn%5D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='[1,n]' title='[1,n]' class='latex' /> (and there&#8217;s no restriction for values greater than <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n' title='n' class='latex' />).</p>
<p>Then your <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=E%28n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='E(n)' title='E(n)' class='latex' /> is just <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=E%280%2Cn%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='E(0,n)' title='E(0,n)' class='latex' />, and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=Z%28p%29+%3D+%5Clim_%7Bn+%5Cto+%5Cinfty%7D+E%28pn%2C+n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='Z(p) = &#92;lim_{n &#92;to &#92;infty} E(pn, n)' title='Z(p) = &#92;lim_{n &#92;to &#92;infty} E(pn, n)' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>It could be interesting to think specifically about where the zero values should be placed in order to minimize the discrepancy in this context.</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The downside of this approach is that the definition of Z involves infinite sequences. It is not even clear if there is a way to compute Z(p) for a given p.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The downside of this approach is that the definition of Z involves infinite sequences. It is not even clear if there is a way to compute Z(p) for a given p.</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, $latex a\cdot 3^k$ in the above should have been $latex a\cdot 3^k+b3^{k+1}$ (I hope).

It seems that I was a bit too sloppy both when I read the definition of E and when I posted the above comment. I though the definition of E(n) was &quot;the smallest possible discrepancy of a sequence of length n&quot;.

What I meant was: One way to investigate EDP is to fix some integer d and try to find the longest possible sequence with discrepancy below d. The sequences we get are then optimized to keep the discrepancy at most d for as long as possible, and it might be that for all extensions of the sequence the discrepancy grows to, say, 3/2d, within the next few terms. This is what I mean by &quot;postponing the problems&quot;. 

Instead we might try to keep the discrepancy below d while defining the sequence on a subset of $latex \mathbb{N}$ with positive density (and setting all other terms to 0).  If the positions of these 0&#039;s are periodic, as in the low-discrepancy examples we know, then it will be possible to fill out more terms without increasing the discrepancy by much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=a%5Ccdot+3%5Ek&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='a&#92;cdot 3^k' title='a&#92;cdot 3^k' class='latex' /> in the above should have been <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=a%5Ccdot+3%5Ek%2Bb3%5E%7Bk%2B1%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='a&#92;cdot 3^k+b3^{k+1}' title='a&#92;cdot 3^k+b3^{k+1}' class='latex' /> (I hope).</p>
<p>It seems that I was a bit too sloppy both when I read the definition of E and when I posted the above comment. I though the definition of E(n) was &#8220;the smallest possible discrepancy of a sequence of length n&#8221;.</p>
<p>What I meant was: One way to investigate EDP is to fix some integer d and try to find the longest possible sequence with discrepancy below d. The sequences we get are then optimized to keep the discrepancy at most d for as long as possible, and it might be that for all extensions of the sequence the discrepancy grows to, say, 3/2d, within the next few terms. This is what I mean by &#8220;postponing the problems&#8221;. </p>
<p>Instead we might try to keep the discrepancy below d while defining the sequence on a subset of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BN%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathbb{N}' title='&#92;mathbb{N}' class='latex' /> with positive density (and setting all other terms to 0).  If the positions of these 0&#8242;s are periodic, as in the low-discrepancy examples we know, then it will be possible to fill out more terms without increasing the discrepancy by much.</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could you elaborate on your last sentence: I find it intriguing but I don&#039;t see exactly what you mean by it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you elaborate on your last sentence: I find it intriguing but I don&#8217;t see exactly what you mean by it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sune Kristian Jakobsen</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sune Kristian Jakobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not anymore than what i have posted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not anymore than what i have posted</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/edp22-first-guest-post-from-gil-kalai/#comment-21639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sune, Right, my mistake. BTW did you explore further your notion of pseudointegers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sune, Right, my mistake. BTW did you explore further your notion of pseudointegers?</p>
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