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	<title>Comments on: A new open-access venture from Cambridge University Press</title>
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		<title>By: espressonator</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok so here they are:  &quot;What is the publication charge for accepted papers?
Open Access publishing has to be funded somehow, and the prevailing model is through the levying of an article processing charge (APC) on each individual author’s institution or funding body. For Pi and Sigma we are committed to maintaining the APC at a level justified by real publishing costs, and both Pi and Sigma will have an associated APC of £500/$750 per article. However, we appreciate that there is at present little financial support within the community to cover APCs for open access publishing. Therefore, for the first three years Cambridge University Press will underwrite the APC for all authors, though we will encourage payment from those authors who do have appropriate funding through their institution or a funding body. After the first three years we will adopt an ongoing waiver policy for authors from eligible countries (see appendix for current list), and to others who can demonstrate a lack of access to appropriate funds.&quot;

The whole model is absurd. It is the creative mathematician or scientist who ends up having to pay page charges, and in some cases the most interesting mathematics and science is the least popular, mainly because its correct.  (A case in point is a paper in lattice theory that solved a major open problem, was approved by referees of the American Journsl of Mathematics, and yet was rejected by the editors.) It certainly doesn&#039;t command the audience of yet another trivial revision of a popular calculus text. (In some cases, textbook volume sales engineering amounts to a form of sanctioned, rewarded plagiarism.)  the &quot;Open Access&quot; model expands the absurdity by encoraging almost anyone to start a journal and sell to young people at a rather high price the right to publish their papers, so they can keep their jobs. 

I sympathize with the sentiment that some publishers have been running up the cost of publishing research articles, and libraries don&#039;t want to subscribe to high priced journals, but making authors pay to publish is not the answer. 

I was invited to be a managing editor for an open access journal, so I began work, for no pay by the way, but then the publisher began to pressure me to find referees to read papers so fast there was no way they could reasonably check details in time for the promised issues to go to press. The authors were getting upset because they paid to have their work published. They were not concerned about the fact that I wanted to take a reasonable amount of time to find CONSCIENTIOUS referees. I wrote to the editors asking them to consider trying a different model, in which they put in some effort to find advertisers instead of charging authors to support the journal. In fact, i suggested they raise the standards and PAY the authors for writing publishable work. They wouldn&#039;t hear of it. Apparently, enough people think mathematicians and scientists should work for free, so that no model like the one used for publishing magazines and for producing films, and for producing rock concerts is ever going to be seriously considered. 

The argument that governments are funding the research rings hollow since in many]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so here they are:  &#8220;What is the publication charge for accepted papers?<br />
Open Access publishing has to be funded somehow, and the prevailing model is through the levying of an article processing charge (APC) on each individual author’s institution or funding body. For Pi and Sigma we are committed to maintaining the APC at a level justified by real publishing costs, and both Pi and Sigma will have an associated APC of £500/$750 per article. However, we appreciate that there is at present little financial support within the community to cover APCs for open access publishing. Therefore, for the first three years Cambridge University Press will underwrite the APC for all authors, though we will encourage payment from those authors who do have appropriate funding through their institution or a funding body. After the first three years we will adopt an ongoing waiver policy for authors from eligible countries (see appendix for current list), and to others who can demonstrate a lack of access to appropriate funds.&#8221;</p>
<p>The whole model is absurd. It is the creative mathematician or scientist who ends up having to pay page charges, and in some cases the most interesting mathematics and science is the least popular, mainly because its correct.  (A case in point is a paper in lattice theory that solved a major open problem, was approved by referees of the American Journsl of Mathematics, and yet was rejected by the editors.) It certainly doesn&#8217;t command the audience of yet another trivial revision of a popular calculus text. (In some cases, textbook volume sales engineering amounts to a form of sanctioned, rewarded plagiarism.)  the &#8220;Open Access&#8221; model expands the absurdity by encoraging almost anyone to start a journal and sell to young people at a rather high price the right to publish their papers, so they can keep their jobs. </p>
<p>I sympathize with the sentiment that some publishers have been running up the cost of publishing research articles, and libraries don&#8217;t want to subscribe to high priced journals, but making authors pay to publish is not the answer. </p>
<p>I was invited to be a managing editor for an open access journal, so I began work, for no pay by the way, but then the publisher began to pressure me to find referees to read papers so fast there was no way they could reasonably check details in time for the promised issues to go to press. The authors were getting upset because they paid to have their work published. They were not concerned about the fact that I wanted to take a reasonable amount of time to find CONSCIENTIOUS referees. I wrote to the editors asking them to consider trying a different model, in which they put in some effort to find advertisers instead of charging authors to support the journal. In fact, i suggested they raise the standards and PAY the authors for writing publishable work. They wouldn&#8217;t hear of it. Apparently, enough people think mathematicians and scientists should work for free, so that no model like the one used for publishing magazines and for producing films, and for producing rock concerts is ever going to be seriously considered. </p>
<p>The argument that governments are funding the research rings hollow since in many</p>
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		<title>By: espressonator</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 00:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the FAQs of Forum Of Marhematics, we see the following:  &quot;As no subscriptions are sold to view the content, such open access journals are financially supported either by grants, or more typically through a charge levied on the submitting author’s institution or funding body.&quot;

How much are these page charges, which, by the way, discourage authors who do very good work that isn&#039;t popular?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the FAQs of Forum Of Marhematics, we see the following:  &#8220;As no subscriptions are sold to view the content, such open access journals are financially supported either by grants, or more typically through a charge levied on the submitting author’s institution or funding body.&#8221;</p>
<p>How much are these page charges, which, by the way, discourage authors who do very good work that isn&#8217;t popular?</p>
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		<title>By: Raindrop</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-34236</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s crowdfund that £500 or $750.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s crowdfund that £500 or $750.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Gowers and Mr. Hyde &#124; AMS Graduate Student Blog</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-32909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Gowers and Mr. Hyde &#124; AMS Graduate Student Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to two new open-access journals Forum of Mathematics, Pi and Forum of Mathematics, Sigma. Both Timothy Gowers and Terence Tao discussed their involvement with this project in July of last [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to two new open-access journals Forum of Mathematics, Pi and Forum of Mathematics, Sigma. Both Timothy Gowers and Terence Tao discussed their involvement with this project in July of last [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Math journals and the fight over open access &#171; mixedmath</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-32284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Math journals and the fight over open access &#171; mixedmath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] math journal called the Forum of Mathematics. It&#8217;s a slightly different model, which Gowers first talks about and later clarifies. If I can briefly paraphrase, the idea of the Forum of Mathematics (FoM) is not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] math journal called the Forum of Mathematics. It&#8217;s a slightly different model, which Gowers first talks about and later clarifies. If I can briefly paraphrase, the idea of the Forum of Mathematics (FoM) is not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Quick reaction on Gowers&#8217; &#8220;Why I&#8217;ve joined the bad guys&#8221; &#171; chorasimilarity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quick reaction on Gowers&#8217; &#8220;Why I&#8217;ve joined the bad guys&#8221; &#171; chorasimilarity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my previous post about Forum of Mathematics I made a bad mistake, which was to suggest that APC stood for “author publication charge” [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my previous post about Forum of Mathematics I made a bad mistake, which was to suggest that APC stood for “author publication charge” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why I&#8217;ve joined the bad guys &#171; Gowers&#039;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-31936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I&#8217;ve joined the bad guys &#171; Gowers&#039;s Weblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is a misconception here, which I have unfortunately helped to perpetuate. In my previous post about Forum of Mathematics I made a bad mistake, which was to suggest that APC stood for &#8220;author publication [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a misconception here, which I have unfortunately helped to perpetuate. In my previous post about Forum of Mathematics I made a bad mistake, which was to suggest that APC stood for &#8220;author publication [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Worse than Elsevier, worse than &#8230; &#171; Noncommutative Analysis</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-31870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Worse than Elsevier, worse than &#8230; &#171; Noncommutative Analysis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] really hope that mathematicians will not flock behind the leaders of this initiative. The overall impression I get is that my hopes are hopeless. So here is one last cry: you are going in the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really hope that mathematicians will not flock behind the leaders of this initiative. The overall impression I get is that my hopes are hopeless. So here is one last cry: you are going in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: All That Glitters Is Not Gold, But Is It Diamond? &#124; SCRIPTed</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-31832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[All That Glitters Is Not Gold, But Is It Diamond? &#124; SCRIPTed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] venture from Cambridge University Press” (Gowers’s Weblog 2 July 2012), available at http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press (accessed 1 Dec 12); T Gowers, “Elsevier: my part in its downfall” (Gowers’s Weblog 21 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] venture from Cambridge University Press” (Gowers’s Weblog 2 July 2012), available at <a href="http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press" rel="nofollow">http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press</a> (accessed 1 Dec 12); T Gowers, “Elsevier: my part in its downfall” (Gowers’s Weblog 21 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: One Size Fits All?: Social Science and Open Access &#124; SAGE Connection</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-30958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One Size Fits All?: Social Science and Open Access &#124; SAGE Connection]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Eisen,Peter Murray-Rust, Björn Brembs, Cameron Neylon, Kent Anderson, Stephen Curry and Tim Gowers, have backgrounds in STEM research or publishing. (Notable exceptions are the philosopher Peter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eisen,Peter Murray-Rust, Björn Brembs, Cameron Neylon, Kent Anderson, Stephen Curry and Tim Gowers, have backgrounds in STEM research or publishing. (Notable exceptions are the philosopher Peter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: One Size Fits All?: Social Science and Open Access &#171; The Disorder Of Things</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-30529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One Size Fits All?: Social Science and Open Access &#171; The Disorder Of Things]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Michael Eisen, Peter Murray-Rust, Björn Brembs, Cameron Neylon, Kent Anderson, Stephen Curry and Tim Gowers, have backgrounds in STEM research or publishing. (Notable exceptions are the philosopher Peter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michael Eisen, Peter Murray-Rust, Björn Brembs, Cameron Neylon, Kent Anderson, Stephen Curry and Tim Gowers, have backgrounds in STEM research or publishing. (Notable exceptions are the philosopher Peter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: seo consultant leicester</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-29416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seo consultant leicester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe strongly that the current system is economically unsustainable. Something needs to change]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe strongly that the current system is economically unsustainable. Something needs to change</p>
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		<title>By: ugo</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-29297</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People could be interested to know that a &quot;similar&quot; initiative is taken by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). From their description of the journal one reads:

&quot;This open-access journal to be offered for free to readers follows the movement in scholarly publishing to make content available via the Internet at no charge. [...]  To shorten the publication cycle, articles will be peer reviewed for technical correctness only—not for novelty or perceived impact on the field. Authors of accepted manuscripts will pay a processing fee of US $1750 per article, which is expected to average 8 to 10 pages, but will not be required to give up copyright, as they have had to assign it to IEEE in the past.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People could be interested to know that a &#8220;similar&#8221; initiative is taken by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). From their description of the journal one reads:</p>
<p>&#8220;This open-access journal to be offered for free to readers follows the movement in scholarly publishing to make content available via the Internet at no charge. [...]  To shorten the publication cycle, articles will be peer reviewed for technical correctness only—not for novelty or perceived impact on the field. Authors of accepted manuscripts will pay a processing fee of US $1750 per article, which is expected to average 8 to 10 pages, but will not be required to give up copyright, as they have had to assign it to IEEE in the past.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Worse than Elsevier &#171; Noncommutative Analysis</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-27818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Worse than Elsevier &#171; Noncommutative Analysis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has been my opinion for a long time, and it didn&#8217;t change when Gowers and Tao joined the bad guys. Here&#8217;s what I think is bad about the publishing model where authors pay to have [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been my opinion for a long time, and it didn&#8217;t change when Gowers and Tao joined the bad guys. Here&#8217;s what I think is bad about the publishing model where authors pay to have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New experiment in mathematics: a &#8220;forum&#8221;, not a journal. &#124; OpenPub</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New experiment in mathematics: a &#8220;forum&#8221;, not a journal. &#124; OpenPub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/   This entry was posted in Links to Outside Reading by bruce caron. Bookmark the permalink. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/" rel="nofollow">http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/</a>   This entry was posted in Links to Outside Reading by bruce caron. Bookmark the permalink. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Scott</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have arrived belatedly at this discussion, which was posted on the German language IP-OA Forum. May I add my congratulations to CUP and Prof Gowers on this significant publishing development.

As somebody who worked in subscription publishing for six years and left to set up two &#039;gold&#039; OA publishing platforms this year - Social Sciences Directory (www.socialsciencesdirectory.com) and Humanities Directory (www.humanitiesdirectory.com) - I believe strongly that the current system is economically unsustainable. The arguments (clearly expressed in the posts above), show that there is still a lot of adjustment to be made, to what are big changes in the publishing model. But academia cannot feel that it is exempt from market forces. It was inevitable that alternatives to a subscription model that leeches money from taxpayers to more cost-effective and distributive methods would be embraced, and this in turn would drive the costs down. I agree that APCs in the £,000s, or even high £,00s, still represent significant barriers for many researchers, which is why we have set the fees for Social Sciences Directory and Humanities Directory at £100/$150, with waivers available. Publishing costs money (for web development and maintenance, marketing and promotion, archiving, registration with CrossRef, copyediting, page design) but we figured all of these could be covered by that fee and without being seen as excessive. 

Notwithstanding initiatives such as mine, PeerJ, Pi and Sigma,  publishers and academics will not resolve the situation themselves and it will take the sort of mandate that the British government agreed to from the Finch Report in June to make change come about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have arrived belatedly at this discussion, which was posted on the German language IP-OA Forum. May I add my congratulations to CUP and Prof Gowers on this significant publishing development.</p>
<p>As somebody who worked in subscription publishing for six years and left to set up two &#8216;gold&#8217; OA publishing platforms this year &#8211; Social Sciences Directory (www.socialsciencesdirectory.com) and Humanities Directory (www.humanitiesdirectory.com) &#8211; I believe strongly that the current system is economically unsustainable. The arguments (clearly expressed in the posts above), show that there is still a lot of adjustment to be made, to what are big changes in the publishing model. But academia cannot feel that it is exempt from market forces. It was inevitable that alternatives to a subscription model that leeches money from taxpayers to more cost-effective and distributive methods would be embraced, and this in turn would drive the costs down. I agree that APCs in the £,000s, or even high £,00s, still represent significant barriers for many researchers, which is why we have set the fees for Social Sciences Directory and Humanities Directory at £100/$150, with waivers available. Publishing costs money (for web development and maintenance, marketing and promotion, archiving, registration with CrossRef, copyediting, page design) but we figured all of these could be covered by that fee and without being seen as excessive. </p>
<p>Notwithstanding initiatives such as mine, PeerJ, Pi and Sigma,  publishers and academics will not resolve the situation themselves and it will take the sort of mandate that the British government agreed to from the Finch Report in June to make change come about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrisitan Gutknecht</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chrisitan Gutknecht]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been told by our serials department, that there is hardly a financial benefit when you exclude just maths journals out of  a &quot;Big Deal&quot; like the Elsevier Freedom Collection. Such &quot;Big Deal&quot; contracts, often include some kind of allowed maximum cancellation, if cancel more than the defined amount, the price for the whole will be increased. So you&#039;re financially almost better off not to cancel anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told by our serials department, that there is hardly a financial benefit when you exclude just maths journals out of  a &#8220;Big Deal&#8221; like the Elsevier Freedom Collection. Such &#8220;Big Deal&#8221; contracts, often include some kind of allowed maximum cancellation, if cancel more than the defined amount, the price for the whole will be increased. So you&#8217;re financially almost better off not to cancel anything.</p>
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		<title>By: How do you solve a problem like the Annals? &#171; Igor Pak&#039;s blog</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How do you solve a problem like the Annals? &#171; Igor Pak&#039;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] strange), various journal controversies, often misused barely reasonable impact factors, and new journals appearing every day, it is good to have some stability.  Mathematics clearly needs at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] strange), various journal controversies, often misused barely reasonable impact factors, and new journals appearing every day, it is good to have some stability.  Mathematics clearly needs at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C. Wilson</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark C. Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to have been sorted out (?): http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to have been sorted out (?): <a href="http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html" rel="nofollow">http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gabor Pete</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabor Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mike, and Tim, et al, 

why does the average cost in a paywalled journal matter? Do we want to do something good, or just better than horrible? Why do Terry Tao and Tim Gowers aim at beating the horrible level? Providing open access costs 7 dollars to the community, at arXiv. So, the question is how much it costs to provide the refereeing and selection process. All of that will be done for free at FoM, I guess, and this work cannot be easily made easier by a paid personnel. Therefore, the cost of publishing a paper at a brand new great journal should be on the magnitude of 7 dollars, not 750.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike, and Tim, et al, </p>
<p>why does the average cost in a paywalled journal matter? Do we want to do something good, or just better than horrible? Why do Terry Tao and Tim Gowers aim at beating the horrible level? Providing open access costs 7 dollars to the community, at arXiv. So, the question is how much it costs to provide the refereeing and selection process. All of that will be done for free at FoM, I guess, and this work cannot be easily made easier by a paid personnel. Therefore, the cost of publishing a paper at a brand new great journal should be on the magnitude of 7 dollars, not 750.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabor Pete</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabor Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is worrisome. Please make sure to post the sequel to the story here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is worrisome. Please make sure to post the sequel to the story here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CUP&#039;s recent treatment of a formerly &quot;diamond&quot; OA journal does not inspire confidence. See http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CUP&#8217;s recent treatment of a formerly &#8220;diamond&#8221; OA journal does not inspire confidence. See <a href="http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html" rel="nofollow">http://cikitsa.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/medical-history-cup-breaching-authors.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: CUP&#8217;s &#8220;Forum of Mathematics&#8221; Open Access Journal &#124; Aleph Zero Categorical</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CUP&#8217;s &#8220;Forum of Mathematics&#8221; Open Access Journal &#124; Aleph Zero Categorical]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have access to these funds. There have been extensive discussions on the blogs of Terence Tao and Timothy Gowers, and these discussions have surprised me with the amount of negativity towards the new [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have access to these funds. There have been extensive discussions on the blogs of Terence Tao and Timothy Gowers, and these discussions have surprised me with the amount of negativity towards the new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ross</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-21059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Non-Profit Model is Possible

There are many interesting points here.  Perhaps a non-profit solution could contribute to the discussion.

At greatmatheamtics.org, we are pursuing a non-profit, open access solution to mathematics research publishing.  We believe a non-profit solution is the only viable, long-term one.  Our gold model will work on an estimate of author costs of $450 per article.  We have created a budget that allows us to sustain our model with a reasonable number of submissions for the first three years.  

We are also exploring outside funding sources, ones we believe will be supportive of a non-profit solution. With adequate funding we hope to eventually reduce or eliminate author costs.  This is a realistic goal.  As a start-up solution, we do not have the infrastructure and related costs of an established commercial publisher. We expect our cost per article to decline over time, not increase as a commercial model requires. 

It is possible any for-profit model of open access publishing will, after price increases over 10, 20, 30 year period, lead back to the position the community finds itself in now.  For-profit models require yearly increases in profit and revenue to sustain the business.

Our solution will not require authors to sign away their copyright.  Authors will retain full ownership of their research. 

An open access, low-cost, non-profit solution to journal publishing is possible in mathematics.  

We are just getting started.  We have more information posted on our website.  If you would like to join us, please feel free to do so.  We need all the support we can find to lay the foundation to secure funding.  If we can secure this funding, we believe our model will permanently change the way mathematics research is published and distributed. Thank you for any consideration you might offer us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Non-Profit Model is Possible</p>
<p>There are many interesting points here.  Perhaps a non-profit solution could contribute to the discussion.</p>
<p>At greatmatheamtics.org, we are pursuing a non-profit, open access solution to mathematics research publishing.  We believe a non-profit solution is the only viable, long-term one.  Our gold model will work on an estimate of author costs of $450 per article.  We have created a budget that allows us to sustain our model with a reasonable number of submissions for the first three years.  </p>
<p>We are also exploring outside funding sources, ones we believe will be supportive of a non-profit solution. With adequate funding we hope to eventually reduce or eliminate author costs.  This is a realistic goal.  As a start-up solution, we do not have the infrastructure and related costs of an established commercial publisher. We expect our cost per article to decline over time, not increase as a commercial model requires. </p>
<p>It is possible any for-profit model of open access publishing will, after price increases over 10, 20, 30 year period, lead back to the position the community finds itself in now.  For-profit models require yearly increases in profit and revenue to sustain the business.</p>
<p>Our solution will not require authors to sign away their copyright.  Authors will retain full ownership of their research. </p>
<p>An open access, low-cost, non-profit solution to journal publishing is possible in mathematics.  </p>
<p>We are just getting started.  We have more information posted on our website.  If you would like to join us, please feel free to do so.  We need all the support we can find to lay the foundation to secure funding.  If we can secure this funding, we believe our model will permanently change the way mathematics research is published and distributed. Thank you for any consideration you might offer us.</p>
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		<title>By: A new open-access venture from Cambridge University Press &#124; Flexibility Enables Learning</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/a-new-open-access-venture-from-cambridge-university-press/#comment-20914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A new open-access venture from Cambridge University Press &#124; Flexibility Enables Learning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 02:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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