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		<title>By: PSmith</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/a-look-at-a-few-tripos-questions-vi/#comment-31114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PSmith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It also occurs to me that, having just done part (ii), the obvious line of thought for part (iii) would be &quot;Does my answer for (ii) still work if I replace R with Z? No: &#124;x&#124;^2 is certainly real, but it doesn&#039;t have to be an integer.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also occurs to me that, having just done part (ii), the obvious line of thought for part (iii) would be &#8220;Does my answer for (ii) still work if I replace R with Z? No: |x|^2 is certainly real, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be an integer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PSmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;non-proof&quot; that the relation in 2C(iii) fails to be transitive motivated the counterexample x = 1/2, y = 2, z = 1/2. But to my mind this is just a more convoluted proof that the relation is not reflexive: the conclusion is that NOT((1/2)~(1/2)).

Of course since the relation is symmetric but not reflexive it must fail to be transitive, but I am of the view that any triple (x,y,z) put forward as a counterexample to transitivity must have distinct values for x, y and z.

(There are a couple of misprints:

In the paragraph beginning &quot;Our example can&#039;t be too trivial&quot;, &quot;all three of x and y to be distinct&quot; should probably read &quot;all three of x and y and z to be distinct&quot;.

In the update, there is a minus sign missing before 3^2 and an unwanted minus sign before 4^2.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;non-proof&#8221; that the relation in 2C(iii) fails to be transitive motivated the counterexample x = 1/2, y = 2, z = 1/2. But to my mind this is just a more convoluted proof that the relation is not reflexive: the conclusion is that NOT((1/2)~(1/2)).</p>
<p>Of course since the relation is symmetric but not reflexive it must fail to be transitive, but I am of the view that any triple (x,y,z) put forward as a counterexample to transitivity must have distinct values for x, y and z.</p>
<p>(There are a couple of misprints:</p>
<p>In the paragraph beginning &#8220;Our example can&#8217;t be too trivial&#8221;, &#8220;all three of x and y to be distinct&#8221; should probably read &#8220;all three of x and y and z to be distinct&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the update, there is a minus sign missing before 3^2 and an unwanted minus sign before 4^2.)</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 01:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. Here&#039;s the link to Heath if anyone&#039;s interested :
http://archive.org/details/cu31924008704219]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Here&#8217;s the link to Heath if anyone&#8217;s interested :<br />
<a href="http://archive.org/details/cu31924008704219" rel="nofollow">http://archive.org/details/cu31924008704219</a></p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think nugae has answered that question in his/her comment above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think nugae has answered that question in his/her comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 20:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim,

Is there a way to solve 1 without using the fact that $latex \sum_{k=1}^{n} k = n(n+1)/2$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Is there a way to solve 1 without using the fact that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum_%7Bk%3D1%7D%5E%7Bn%7D+k+%3D+n%28n%2B1%29%2F2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum_{k=1}^{n} k = n(n+1)/2' title='&#92;sum_{k=1}^{n} k = n(n+1)/2' class='latex' />.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal Daly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fergal Daly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, this seems to be the same proof as elsewhere, feel free to delete. I&#039;m still curious if it would be an acceptable answer or is it too informal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, this seems to be the same proof as elsewhere, feel free to delete. I&#8217;m still curious if it would be an acceptable answer or is it too informal?</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal Daly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fergal Daly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a pictorial proof of the sum of cubes being the square of sums, just using the fact that Sum(1..n) = n(n+1)/2.

Consider a square of side n(n+1)/2. If n is even, this is n/2  (n+1)s So you can lay n/2 (n+1)-sided squares across the top and the same along the right hand side and then fill in one more for the top right corner. You have now added n+1 (n+1)-sided squares.

If n is odd you can lay (n+1)/2 across the top (the last one sticks half-way out) and (n-1)/2 along the right-hand side (stopping short by half). So you have n (n+1) sided squares and and L-shape made out of 2 half-squares.

Here&#039;s a picture of it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbtqdywlrGadGFpaFQ4cGlveko3UUx0V3VINzhDYUE#gid=0

I&#039;m curious how much credit this proof would get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a pictorial proof of the sum of cubes being the square of sums, just using the fact that Sum(1..n) = n(n+1)/2.</p>
<p>Consider a square of side n(n+1)/2. If n is even, this is n/2  (n+1)s So you can lay n/2 (n+1)-sided squares across the top and the same along the right hand side and then fill in one more for the top right corner. You have now added n+1 (n+1)-sided squares.</p>
<p>If n is odd you can lay (n+1)/2 across the top (the last one sticks half-way out) and (n-1)/2 along the right-hand side (stopping short by half). So you have n (n+1) sided squares and and L-shape made out of 2 half-squares.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a picture of it</p>
<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbtqdywlrGadGFpaFQ4cGlveko3UUx0V3VINzhDYUE#gid=0" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhbtqdywlrGadGFpaFQ4cGlveko3UUx0V3VINzhDYUE#gid=0</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how much credit this proof would get.</p>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e220v5</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Friday Highlights &#124; Pseudo-Polymath</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nugae</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your &quot;otherwise&quot;: Nicomachus, Introductio arithmetica, II.20, cited in Heath, A Manual of Greek Mathematics, Oxford, 1931. Take the first 1 odd numbers: they add up to 1³. Take the next 2 odd numbers: they add up to 2³. Take the next 3 odd numbers: they add up to 3³. And so on.

On the other hand, the first N odd numbers add up to N². Putting the two together gives the result, and with care it can be done without ever mentioning ½n(n+1).

For the details, see Heath. He also quotes al-Karkhī, who gives a presumably Greek-originated geometrical proof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;otherwise&#8221;: Nicomachus, Introductio arithmetica, II.20, cited in Heath, A Manual of Greek Mathematics, Oxford, 1931. Take the first 1 odd numbers: they add up to 1³. Take the next 2 odd numbers: they add up to 2³. Take the next 3 odd numbers: they add up to 3³. And so on.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the first N odd numbers add up to N². Putting the two together gives the result, and with care it can be done without ever mentioning ½n(n+1).</p>
<p>For the details, see Heath. He also quotes al-Karkhī, who gives a presumably Greek-originated geometrical proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 09:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know the Tripos, but in my experience &quot;by induction, or otherwise&quot; generally means &quot;do it by induction, but we won&#039;t penalize you if you know a trick we didn&#039;t think of&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the Tripos, but in my experience &#8220;by induction, or otherwise&#8221; generally means &#8220;do it by induction, but we won&#8217;t penalize you if you know a trick we didn&#8217;t think of&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RJ Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RJ Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 09:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh... this takes me back.

I believe there is an erroneous &quot;^2&quot; at the end of the sentence beginning &quot;The right-hand side is a difference of two squares...&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Many thanks -- corrected now.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh&#8230; this takes me back.</p>
<p>I believe there is an erroneous &#8220;^2&#8243; at the end of the sentence beginning &#8220;The right-hand side is a difference of two squares&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Many thanks &#8212; corrected now.</em></p>
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