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		<title>By: Set is not the only version of Set &#171; Quomodocumque</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Set is not the only version of Set &#171; Quomodocumque]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this problem in a long time is the recent paper of Bateman and Katz.  Some discussion by Gowers of the relation between this paper and the polymath project.     GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;AdOpt&quot;, &quot;1&quot;); GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;Origin&quot;, &quot;other&quot;); [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this problem in a long time is the recent paper of Bateman and Katz.  Some discussion by Gowers of the relation between this paper and the polymath project.     GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;AdOpt&quot;, &quot;1&quot;); GA_googleAddAttr(&quot;Origin&quot;, &quot;other&quot;); [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to leave you a comment unrelated to this post (or tangentially, at best).

Already in your book &quot;Mathematics: A Very Short Introduction&quot; you noted the &quot;myth of music and maths&quot;, and recently I stumbled with an extended opinion of yours published in the &quot;The Independent&quot;.

My question is: does the fact that there exists a branch of Mathematics dealing with the abstract (and some concrete) aspects of music alters in some way your perceptions about the issue?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to leave you a comment unrelated to this post (or tangentially, at best).</p>
<p>Already in your book &#8220;Mathematics: A Very Short Introduction&#8221; you noted the &#8220;myth of music and maths&#8221;, and recently I stumbled with an extended opinion of yours published in the &#8220;The Independent&#8221;.</p>
<p>My question is: does the fact that there exists a branch of Mathematics dealing with the abstract (and some concrete) aspects of music alters in some way your perceptions about the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that it will not be realistic to hope that we are going to observe a massive open collaboration even in the modest meaning of the word &quot;massive&quot; from polymath1-5. However, if a larger set of observers can watch (and perhaps even make remarks occasionally) over the polymath blog how a smaller (hopefully non empty) set of researchers openly trying to solve the problem this can be a useful experience as well. (And as mentioned above off-line conventional collaboration by the small group of involved researchers can be useful.) 

Of course, it seems perfectly reasonable if other mathematicians will study separately this problem on their owns in a more conventional matter.

One advantage of having such an open research is that it makes it easier for the community to understand the issues, ideas and proofs.

There is a famous example of Ian Agol who openly studied and eventually proved over his blog the famous tameness conjecture. Proofs of the conjecture were reached also by Suhyoung Choi who had a different approach and used some ingredients of Agol&#039;s open ongoing work to complete it, and by Dan Calegari and David Gabai who independently worked on the conjecture and solved it. 
(I hope I tell the story right.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that it will not be realistic to hope that we are going to observe a massive open collaboration even in the modest meaning of the word &#8220;massive&#8221; from polymath1-5. However, if a larger set of observers can watch (and perhaps even make remarks occasionally) over the polymath blog how a smaller (hopefully non empty) set of researchers openly trying to solve the problem this can be a useful experience as well. (And as mentioned above off-line conventional collaboration by the small group of involved researchers can be useful.) </p>
<p>Of course, it seems perfectly reasonable if other mathematicians will study separately this problem on their owns in a more conventional matter.</p>
<p>One advantage of having such an open research is that it makes it easier for the community to understand the issues, ideas and proofs.</p>
<p>There is a famous example of Ian Agol who openly studied and eventually proved over his blog the famous tameness conjecture. Proofs of the conjecture were reached also by Suhyoung Choi who had a different approach and used some ingredients of Agol&#8217;s open ongoing work to complete it, and by Dan Calegari and David Gabai who independently worked on the conjecture and solved it.<br />
(I hope I tell the story right.)</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over on the Polymath blog I have put &lt;a href=&quot;http://polymathprojects.org/2011/02/13/can-bourgains-argument-be-usefully-modified/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a new post&lt;/a&gt; in which I discuss whether it is possible to modify Bourgain&#039;s Bohr-sets argument to obtain a $latex 1/\log N$ bound instead of using Sanders&#039;s rather different methods. I am far from sure that there is any future in this line of attack, but I can&#039;t rule it out either, and if it worked, it would mesh better with the Bateman-Katz arguments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on the Polymath blog I have put <a href="http://polymathprojects.org/2011/02/13/can-bourgains-argument-be-usefully-modified/" rel="nofollow">a new post</a> in which I discuss whether it is possible to modify Bourgain&#8217;s Bohr-sets argument to obtain a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=1%2F%5Clog+N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='1/&#92;log N' title='1/&#92;log N' class='latex' /> bound instead of using Sanders&#8217;s rather different methods. I am far from sure that there is any future in this line of attack, but I can&#8217;t rule it out either, and if it worked, it would mesh better with the Bateman-Katz arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bateman and Katz&#039;s improvement on the cap set problem upper bounds is certainly exciting and moving to  pushing the exponents of log n beyond 1 is certainly a natural thing to try. I would be very happy if we will also keep discussing lower bounds. Lev&#039;s startling example, the remarks regarding it and also Tim&#039;s example are all very interesting and so is Seva Lev&#039;s suggestion in this remark http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/more-on-the-cap-set-problem/#comment-10601 is also very interesting. So I propose that perhaps beside the pointed effort to examine the possibility of improving Roth we will also discuss or examine possible examples to the cap set problem (and also to Roth). (E.g. is Seva Lev&#039;s example transferabble to the Roth problem?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bateman and Katz&#8217;s improvement on the cap set problem upper bounds is certainly exciting and moving to  pushing the exponents of log n beyond 1 is certainly a natural thing to try. I would be very happy if we will also keep discussing lower bounds. Lev&#8217;s startling example, the remarks regarding it and also Tim&#8217;s example are all very interesting and so is Seva Lev&#8217;s suggestion in this remark <a href="http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/more-on-the-cap-set-problem/#comment-10601" rel="nofollow">http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/more-on-the-cap-set-problem/#comment-10601</a> is also very interesting. So I propose that perhaps beside the pointed effort to examine the possibility of improving Roth we will also discuss or examine possible examples to the cap set problem (and also to Roth). (E.g. is Seva Lev&#8217;s example transferabble to the Roth problem?)</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an important point that we&#039;ve discussed. Given that several people are passing through Cambridge in the near future, there are obvious opportunities for that kind of interaction. Indeed, Ben Green, Tom Sanders and I have already had various discussions.

I get the impression that the way of working for this project may be a bit different from how it has been with previous projects. Somehow a rapid throwing out of half-formed ideas seems a bit less helpful: we all have a fairly clear idea of the kind of thing we are trying to do, and the difficulties involve getting to grips with some issues that may be technical and may be more fundamental. It could be that the right way to proceed is for people to do a bit more private thinking, and to write as much expository material as we can, with the aim of all helping each other to understand the two key papers and the other techniques that are around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an important point that we&#8217;ve discussed. Given that several people are passing through Cambridge in the near future, there are obvious opportunities for that kind of interaction. Indeed, Ben Green, Tom Sanders and I have already had various discussions.</p>
<p>I get the impression that the way of working for this project may be a bit different from how it has been with previous projects. Somehow a rapid throwing out of half-formed ideas seems a bit less helpful: we all have a fairly clear idea of the kind of thing we are trying to do, and the difficulties involve getting to grips with some issues that may be technical and may be more fundamental. It could be that the right way to proceed is for people to do a bit more private thinking, and to write as much expository material as we can, with the aim of all helping each other to understand the two key papers and the other techniques that are around.</p>
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		<title>By: valuevar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[valuevar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you think it would be useful to have polymath sessions in the flesh from time to time? Of course, not everybody could be present for any given session, but it wouldn&#039;t be half bad if at least active contributors in the same geographical area could get together for a weekend full of nothing but work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it would be useful to have polymath sessions in the flesh from time to time? Of course, not everybody could be present for any given session, but it wouldn&#8217;t be half bad if at least active contributors in the same geographical area could get together for a weekend full of nothing but work.</p>
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		<title>By: Klas Markström</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/polymath6-a-is-to-b-as-c-is-to/#comment-10613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klas Markström]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is still an interesting problem, but for me other things have been taking up my time and energy.

A survey paper sounds like a nice idea, and thinking about it might wake some new ideas as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is still an interesting problem, but for me other things have been taking up my time and energy.</p>
<p>A survey paper sounds like a nice idea, and thinking about it might wake some new ideas as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Polymath6: thoughts on empirically testing the finite-field heuristic for very low &#8216;n&#8217; &#171; Paul Delhanty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polymath6: thoughts on empirically testing the finite-field heuristic for very low &#8216;n&#8217; &#171; Paul Delhanty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Gowers has now officially launched Polymath 6. The scope of the project is well described in his blog post, so I won&#8217;t repeat it here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gowers has now officially launched Polymath 6. The scope of the project is well described in his blog post, so I won&#8217;t repeat it here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something like that would suit me very well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something like that would suit me very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/polymath6-a-is-to-b-as-c-is-to/#comment-10610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should have a reunion EDP post a few months from now. (I had planned to write something myself but it goes slowly.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should have a reunion EDP post a few months from now. (I had planned to write something myself but it goes slowly.)</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just sort of gradually wound down as the participants lost energy. However, I have it on my to-do list to write a survey paper (with the assistance of anyone who wishes to join me) summarizing what we learnt during the project. Also, I don&#039;t rule out returning to it at a future date, as I still feel as though there are some ideas to explore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just sort of gradually wound down as the participants lost energy. However, I have it on my to-do list to write a survey paper (with the assistance of anyone who wishes to join me) summarizing what we learnt during the project. Also, I don&#8217;t rule out returning to it at a future date, as I still feel as though there are some ideas to explore.</p>
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		<title>By: Polymath6 &#171; Euclidean Ramsey Theory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polymath6 &#171; Euclidean Ramsey Theory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has started. It is about improving the bounds for Roth&#8217;s theorem. See this post. Also there is a page on the polymath blog here. There is also a wiki here. Also see this post and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has started. It is about improving the bounds for Roth&#8217;s theorem. See this post. Also there is a page on the polymath blog here. There is also a wiki here. Also see this post and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sakura-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sakura-chan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happened to the EDP?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the EDP?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 00:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can only commend everyone&#039;s spirit of cooperation. It&#039;s what I feel maths should really be about - moving forward together to solve old problems and discover new things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only commend everyone&#8217;s spirit of cooperation. It&#8217;s what I feel maths should really be about &#8211; moving forward together to solve old problems and discover new things.</p>
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