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		<title>By: Making Primes More Random &#171; Gödel&#8217;s Lost Letter and P=NP</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-33382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Making Primes More Random &#171; Gödel&#8217;s Lost Letter and P=NP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for collecting and discussing mathematical tricks, along with Alex Frolkin and Olof Sisask. In a followup, Gowers asked whether it needed more examples of research-level tricks compared to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tricki Math Methods Website &#124; New Math Done Right</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tricki Math Methods Website &#124; New Math Done Right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Timothy Gowers 2010 on whether the Tricki is dead? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: beau</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10793</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Tricki should continue. My recommendation to accelerate its development is not to focus so much about the taxonomy of the articles or the search technology at this stage. The idea is great but it is not clear how to implement it yet. SO, invest more on adding the greatest number of articles that exemplify the type of tricks you want and worry about how to organize the whole thing later. Maybe there could be a scoring system to help identify the most appropriate articles at the beginning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Tricki should continue. My recommendation to accelerate its development is not to focus so much about the taxonomy of the articles or the search technology at this stage. The idea is great but it is not clear how to implement it yet. SO, invest more on adding the greatest number of articles that exemplify the type of tricks you want and worry about how to organize the whole thing later. Maybe there could be a scoring system to help identify the most appropriate articles at the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Phi. Isett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phi. Isett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that one way to enhance the way the Tricki functions, distinct from synthesising with Math Overflow, would be to one day integrate it with one of the following services:

-  Online, publicly written math books.

Should such things eventually exist and gain popularity, they could interact with the Tricki.  For example, usually a textbook will use a well-known and common trick at some stage in a proof, but will rarely have the opportunity to give much insight into the trick itself, its origins, its limits, alternative methods, etc.  All too often, the first time you see a trick, it is also much more complicated than the most basic example of its use, which makes it harder to digest.  Imagine you learned the Fourier transform before you ever diagonalized a matrix...  You might not know why it has certain magical properties when it comes to translations and differentiation -- in any event, it&#039;s useful to understand that diagonalizing commuting operators is a truly general trick.

    Often the trick appears as an ingenious technical detail in a proof.  For example: the proof of Sard&#039;s theorem uses this trick you might call &quot;decomposing the total change into small changes&quot;.  For instance, writing

$latex f(1) - f(0) = (f(1/N) - f(0)) + (f(2/N) - f(1/N)) + ... + (f(1) - f(1 - 1/N) ) $

helps you bound the size of the image of critical sets which are &quot;almost connected&quot; (you prove an estimate like $latex &#124;f(x) - f(y)&#124; \leq &#124;x - y&#124;^{1+\epsilon}$) -- a similar technique shows the Lipschitz image of a curve in the plane is not surjective (even has measure 0), a fact which can be used to calculate fundamental groups like that of the 2-sphere.  You may recognize this trick from a proof of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, but maybe you didn&#039;t see it coming.  Or you might find it enlightening to see the same trick in other contexts and in a much more general light.  If you can link to the Tricki, then the individual techniques can be explored separately and generally without disturbing the flow of the exposition. 

This use of the Tricki would be different from the vision of using the Tricki for your research; instead it would be more like using it for people to better/more easily learn a subject.  But I do not think it would get in the way of other purposes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one way to enhance the way the Tricki functions, distinct from synthesising with Math Overflow, would be to one day integrate it with one of the following services:</p>
<p>-  Online, publicly written math books.</p>
<p>Should such things eventually exist and gain popularity, they could interact with the Tricki.  For example, usually a textbook will use a well-known and common trick at some stage in a proof, but will rarely have the opportunity to give much insight into the trick itself, its origins, its limits, alternative methods, etc.  All too often, the first time you see a trick, it is also much more complicated than the most basic example of its use, which makes it harder to digest.  Imagine you learned the Fourier transform before you ever diagonalized a matrix&#8230;  You might not know why it has certain magical properties when it comes to translations and differentiation &#8212; in any event, it&#8217;s useful to understand that diagonalizing commuting operators is a truly general trick.</p>
<p>    Often the trick appears as an ingenious technical detail in a proof.  For example: the proof of Sard&#8217;s theorem uses this trick you might call &#8220;decomposing the total change into small changes&#8221;.  For instance, writing</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=f%281%29+-+f%280%29+%3D+%28f%281%2FN%29+-+f%280%29%29+%2B+%28f%282%2FN%29+-+f%281%2FN%29%29+%2B+...+%2B+%28f%281%29+-+f%281+-+1%2FN%29+%29+&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='f(1) - f(0) = (f(1/N) - f(0)) + (f(2/N) - f(1/N)) + ... + (f(1) - f(1 - 1/N) ) ' title='f(1) - f(0) = (f(1/N) - f(0)) + (f(2/N) - f(1/N)) + ... + (f(1) - f(1 - 1/N) ) ' class='latex' /></p>
<p>helps you bound the size of the image of critical sets which are &#8220;almost connected&#8221; (you prove an estimate like <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Cf%28x%29+-+f%28y%29%7C+%5Cleq+%7Cx+-+y%7C%5E%7B1%2B%5Cepsilon%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|f(x) - f(y)| &#92;leq |x - y|^{1+&#92;epsilon}' title='|f(x) - f(y)| &#92;leq |x - y|^{1+&#92;epsilon}' class='latex' />) &#8212; a similar technique shows the Lipschitz image of a curve in the plane is not surjective (even has measure 0), a fact which can be used to calculate fundamental groups like that of the 2-sphere.  You may recognize this trick from a proof of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, but maybe you didn&#8217;t see it coming.  Or you might find it enlightening to see the same trick in other contexts and in a much more general light.  If you can link to the Tricki, then the individual techniques can be explored separately and generally without disturbing the flow of the exposition. </p>
<p>This use of the Tricki would be different from the vision of using the Tricki for your research; instead it would be more like using it for people to better/more easily learn a subject.  But I do not think it would get in the way of other purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: a blogger</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you! but wise man always said! learning by reading oops typos ;) I mean learning by doing ;) anyway great articles professor Gowers ;) I should visit more   often at least from 0 to hero  hopefully  ;)


PS . just kidding  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you! but wise man always said! learning by reading oops typos <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I mean learning by doing <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  anyway great articles professor Gowers <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I should visit more   often at least from 0 to hero  hopefully  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS . just kidding  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: beroal</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10418</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The prominent feature of mathoverflow is that it is driven by private incentives. Nobody ensures that a question is tempting to wider audience. It is more like a forum. The prominent feature of Wikipedia is strict rules. All articles looks equally dull, like written by the solitary solemn huge brain. :) Wikipedia does not allow an article to mirror individuality of its author. Therefore no feedback.

There are features that are missing on both. Vivid style. Motivation. History of mathematical notions and theorems (this subject usually is connected to motivation). Proofs (I suppose that PlanetMath tries to do this).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prominent feature of mathoverflow is that it is driven by private incentives. Nobody ensures that a question is tempting to wider audience. It is more like a forum. The prominent feature of Wikipedia is strict rules. All articles looks equally dull, like written by the solitary solemn huge brain. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Wikipedia does not allow an article to mirror individuality of its author. Therefore no feedback.</p>
<p>There are features that are missing on both. Vivid style. Motivation. History of mathematical notions and theorems (this subject usually is connected to motivation). Proofs (I suppose that PlanetMath tries to do this).</p>
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		<title>By: sisn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really hope that the tricky can be kept alive. 
One thought that occured to me that there is a good reason to expect the number of collaborators to increase in the future, because some of the people who &quot;grew up&quot; mathematically with the tricky will reach the level of mathematical maturity to contribute an article.
Because of this I think that the larger number of article with &quot;undergraduate content&quot;, will be an advantage for the long term growth of the tricky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope that the tricky can be kept alive.<br />
One thought that occured to me that there is a good reason to expect the number of collaborators to increase in the future, because some of the people who &#8220;grew up&#8221; mathematically with the tricky will reach the level of mathematical maturity to contribute an article.<br />
Because of this I think that the larger number of article with &#8220;undergraduate content&#8221;, will be an advantage for the long term growth of the tricky.</p>
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		<title>By: math_enthusiastic</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[math_enthusiastic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think so that tricki deserves to be eliminated. The quality and presentation of the `tricks&#039; presented on the tricki is faboulous. I think, it would be like underestimating the significance of tricki articles if one measures their importance via their usefulness in pure maths regieme only. For example, I found the following article pretty relavent to a question in my mind that I posted as a comment on 18th of this month nearly after a year since the last comment was posted. The url of the article is:

http://www.tricki.org/article/How_to_use_the_method_of_stationary_phase_to_control_oscillatory_integrals

So, I hope that tricki stays alive not for the sake of pure mathematicians only but also for those who are in a bit applied stuff. Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so that tricki deserves to be eliminated. The quality and presentation of the `tricks&#8217; presented on the tricki is faboulous. I think, it would be like underestimating the significance of tricki articles if one measures their importance via their usefulness in pure maths regieme only. For example, I found the following article pretty relavent to a question in my mind that I posted as a comment on 18th of this month nearly after a year since the last comment was posted. The url of the article is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tricki.org/article/How_to_use_the_method_of_stationary_phase_to_control_oscillatory_integrals" rel="nofollow">http://www.tricki.org/article/How_to_use_the_method_of_stationary_phase_to_control_oscillatory_integrals</a></p>
<p>So, I hope that tricki stays alive not for the sake of pure mathematicians only but also for those who are in a bit applied stuff. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Probable trickipedian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Probable trickipedian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One likely source of Tricki contributors - not for deep mathematics, but useful applied math &quot;tricks&quot; - would be people who use mathematics for our research, but are not necessarily academic mathematicians. For instance, I have (over the years) built a collection of definite integrals not found in standard &quot;tables of integrals&quot;; because they occur in (my) somewhat obscure research area, they are generally unknown outside it.  

I (obviously) cannot publish such work in the journals of my discipline, and the techniques are too classical and elementary to constitute modern mathematics research, but it would  be nice if I could post them on a well-trafficked public venue and someone else found it useful.  I could supply (weak) proofs or justifications for them and have verified them to the best of my abilities, though the proofs would certainly not meet the standards of rigor required by pure mathematicians. If a mathematician could &#039;vet&#039; them, I would be pleased to get a login and contribute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One likely source of Tricki contributors &#8211; not for deep mathematics, but useful applied math &#8220;tricks&#8221; &#8211; would be people who use mathematics for our research, but are not necessarily academic mathematicians. For instance, I have (over the years) built a collection of definite integrals not found in standard &#8220;tables of integrals&#8221;; because they occur in (my) somewhat obscure research area, they are generally unknown outside it.  </p>
<p>I (obviously) cannot publish such work in the journals of my discipline, and the techniques are too classical and elementary to constitute modern mathematics research, but it would  be nice if I could post them on a well-trafficked public venue and someone else found it useful.  I could supply (weak) proofs or justifications for them and have verified them to the best of my abilities, though the proofs would certainly not meet the standards of rigor required by pure mathematicians. If a mathematician could &#8216;vet&#8217; them, I would be pleased to get a login and contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: vipulnaik</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vipulnaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These numbers look pretty good. Another revealing metric that would be worth reporting is the number of &quot;large depth&quot; visitors, i.e., the visitors who visit more than, say, five pages in a single visit. A good number there indicates that people are actually getting value from the website and not just reaching a page through a web search and then realising it isn&#039;t the place they need to be.

Your crude ratio of pageviews to unique visitors indicates that a pretty large fraction of visits comes from large depth visits, but this statistic can be measured separately. If you&#039;re using Google Analytics, it allows you to filter and segregate visits by depth. Other analytics tools should offer similar features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These numbers look pretty good. Another revealing metric that would be worth reporting is the number of &#8220;large depth&#8221; visitors, i.e., the visitors who visit more than, say, five pages in a single visit. A good number there indicates that people are actually getting value from the website and not just reaching a page through a web search and then realising it isn&#8217;t the place they need to be.</p>
<p>Your crude ratio of pageviews to unique visitors indicates that a pretty large fraction of visits comes from large depth visits, but this statistic can be measured separately. If you&#8217;re using Google Analytics, it allows you to filter and segregate visits by depth. Other analytics tools should offer similar features.</p>
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		<title>By: vipulnaik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vipulnaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there&#039;s a general perception here that what needs to be done is get a large number of contributors. But I think that at this stage, if the Tricki needs to grow, it needs just 2-5 very passionate contributors, who agitate day and night about continually improving the organisation, adding new articles, etc. Large numbers of diffused contributions could take over at a later stage, but they won&#039;t do the trick at this stage.

For instance, the psychology wiki here:

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Psychology_Wiki

was written almost completely by one person at least for the first few years -- now there are contributions from large numbers of people.

The story is a little different with something like Math Overflow, because it is not primarily an information corpus as a place to ask and answer questions. But even there, it is the dedicated few who monitor the site who made sure that it took off. The need for that &quot;dedicated few&quot; in the case of the Tricki would be substantially more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a general perception here that what needs to be done is get a large number of contributors. But I think that at this stage, if the Tricki needs to grow, it needs just 2-5 very passionate contributors, who agitate day and night about continually improving the organisation, adding new articles, etc. Large numbers of diffused contributions could take over at a later stage, but they won&#8217;t do the trick at this stage.</p>
<p>For instance, the psychology wiki here:</p>
<p><a href="http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Psychology_Wiki" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Psychology_Wiki</a></p>
<p>was written almost completely by one person at least for the first few years &#8212; now there are contributions from large numbers of people.</p>
<p>The story is a little different with something like Math Overflow, because it is not primarily an information corpus as a place to ask and answer questions. But even there, it is the dedicated few who monitor the site who made sure that it took off. The need for that &#8220;dedicated few&#8221; in the case of the Tricki would be substantially more.</p>
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		<title>By: Américo Tavares</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Américo Tavares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction: My idea was to make it more visible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: My idea was to make it more visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Malkevitch</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-10008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Malkevitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, for those contributors to Tricki who are academic mathematicians (employees of mathematics departments) there is little career incentive to writing or developing materials of this kind.

Perhaps there might be a group of people who would volunteer to be &quot;editors&quot; for certain pieces of Tricki and when these individuals saw a post to MO, journal article, or web article, with content related to the area they &quot;supervise,&quot; they could contact the author of that item to modify if for posting on Tricki. The fact that there is less work in adapting something nice that has been done already compared with creating something new from scratch may encourage more contributions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, for those contributors to Tricki who are academic mathematicians (employees of mathematics departments) there is little career incentive to writing or developing materials of this kind.</p>
<p>Perhaps there might be a group of people who would volunteer to be &#8220;editors&#8221; for certain pieces of Tricki and when these individuals saw a post to MO, journal article, or web article, with content related to the area they &#8220;supervise,&#8221; they could contact the author of that item to modify if for posting on Tricki. The fact that there is less work in adapting something nice that has been done already compared with creating something new from scratch may encourage more contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: Américo Tavares</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Américo Tavares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right! 

My idea was to make it even more visible. 

But the utility of such a feature depends very much, I think, on how much one wants to post something that has not yet the final quality one is used to display in her/his writings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right! </p>
<p>My idea was to make it even more visible. </p>
<p>But the utility of such a feature depends very much, I think, on how much one wants to post something that has not yet the final quality one is used to display in her/his writings.</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at the Tricki you will see that the to-be-polished label basically already exists, although perhaps not in the exact form you were imagining.

Well, perhaps that&#039;s not quite true. There&#039;s a label for incomplete articles (roughly corresponding to what Wikipedia would call a &quot;stub&quot;) and there are plenty of paragraphs in articles saying things like &quot;This article needs more examples.&quot; But this doesn&#039;t seem to have encouraged people to supply those examples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the Tricki you will see that the to-be-polished label basically already exists, although perhaps not in the exact form you were imagining.</p>
<p>Well, perhaps that&#8217;s not quite true. There&#8217;s a label for incomplete articles (roughly corresponding to what Wikipedia would call a &#8220;stub&#8221;) and there are plenty of paragraphs in articles saying things like &#8220;This article needs more examples.&#8221; But this doesn&#8217;t seem to have encouraged people to supply those examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Américo Tavares</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Américo Tavares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a suggestion trying to deal with the lack of time and the need to have well written articles.

I would suggest to create a label such as &quot;to-be-polished&quot; (or similar) to indicate that an Tricki article not so well written due to lack of time of the contributor is intended to be improved by the same author and/or &quot;polished&quot; by others.

Another possibility would be to create a section for the articles not yet in the final form.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a suggestion trying to deal with the lack of time and the need to have well written articles.</p>
<p>I would suggest to create a label such as &#8220;to-be-polished&#8221; (or similar) to indicate that an Tricki article not so well written due to lack of time of the contributor is intended to be improved by the same author and/or &#8220;polished&#8221; by others.</p>
<p>Another possibility would be to create a section for the articles not yet in the final form.</p>
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		<title>By: עדכונים: מתמטיים &#124; ניימן 3.0</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[עדכונים: מתמטיים &#124; ניימן 3.0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] אם כבר בכנותו של גוורס עסקינן, הרי שאי אפשר להתעלם מהפוסט על טריקי. &quot;אתר דמוי ויקי בו אנשים יכלו לכתוב ערכים על טכניקות [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] אם כבר בכנותו של גוורס עסקינן, הרי שאי אפשר להתעלם מהפוסט על טריקי. &quot;אתר דמוי ויקי בו אנשים יכלו לכתוב ערכים על טכניקות [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Olof Sisask</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olof Sisask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are some numbers related to activity on the Tricki.

About 770 users have registered on the site since it opened to users about a year and a half ago. Of these, something like 30 users have created articles and something like 70 users have edited articles.

There are about 300 articles on the site in total. Of these, only two were created in 2010.

Over the past six months about 100 users have registered, which averages out at roughly 3.8 registrations per week. These &#039;new&#039; users have created one article and edited eight.

During September the site has had 7651 &#039;unique visitors&#039;, though I can&#039;t tell how many of these correspond to genuine users and how many are from spam bots, and about 40000 pages have been served. (I think search engine bots are specifically excluded from these numbers where it has been possible to identify them.) So far September looks to be fairly typical.

Most visitors (by far) arrive at the site from Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some numbers related to activity on the Tricki.</p>
<p>About 770 users have registered on the site since it opened to users about a year and a half ago. Of these, something like 30 users have created articles and something like 70 users have edited articles.</p>
<p>There are about 300 articles on the site in total. Of these, only two were created in 2010.</p>
<p>Over the past six months about 100 users have registered, which averages out at roughly 3.8 registrations per week. These &#8216;new&#8217; users have created one article and edited eight.</p>
<p>During September the site has had 7651 &#8216;unique visitors&#8217;, though I can&#8217;t tell how many of these correspond to genuine users and how many are from spam bots, and about 40000 pages have been served. (I think search engine bots are specifically excluded from these numbers where it has been possible to identify them.) So far September looks to be fairly typical.</p>
<p>Most visitors (by far) arrive at the site from Google.</p>
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		<title>By: palibacsi</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[palibacsi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, there is a flaw in my above reply. I hope, now it is correct:
For all natural numbers m, n satisfying 1&lt;m&lt;n+1 the inequality
sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;m+1 holds.
Proof by induction: The statement holds for all natural numbers n, if m=n since sqrt(n)&lt;n+1. Now, suppose sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;m+1 for some natural numbers m, n satisfying 2&lt;m&lt;n+1. Then,
sqrt((m-1)xsqrt(mx…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;sqrt((m-1)(m+1))&lt;sqrt(m^2)=m. Now, we have the general statement and get the original one for m=2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, there is a flaw in my above reply. I hope, now it is correct:<br />
For all natural numbers m, n satisfying 1&lt;m&lt;n+1 the inequality<br />
sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;m+1 holds.<br />
Proof by induction: The statement holds for all natural numbers n, if m=n since sqrt(n)&lt;n+1. Now, suppose sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;m+1 for some natural numbers m, n satisfying 2&lt;m&lt;n+1. Then,<br />
sqrt((m-1)xsqrt(mx…xsqrt(n)…)&lt;sqrt((m-1)(m+1))&lt;sqrt(m^2)=m. Now, we have the general statement and get the original one for m=2.</p>
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		<title>By: palibacsi</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[palibacsi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember a very elementary statement which one can prove by generalization. I think I have seen it in Arthur Engel&#039;s Problem Solving Strategies: For all natural numbers n larger or equal to two, the following inequality holds:
sqrt(2xsqrt(3x...xsqrt(n)...)&lt;3. 
One way to prove this is by proving the following stronger statement:
For all natural numbers m, n satisfying 1&lt;m&lt;n+1 the inequality
sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x...xsqrt(n)...)&lt;m+2 holds.
Proof by induction: The statement holds for all natural numbers n, if m=n since sqrt(n)&lt;n+2. Now, suppose sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x...xsqrt(n)...)&lt;m+2 for some natural numbers m, n satisfying 2&lt;m&lt;n+1. Then,
sqrt((m-1)xsqrt(mx...xsqrt(n)...)&lt;sqrt((m-1)(m+2))&lt;sqrt((m+1)^2)=m+1. Now, we have the general statement and get the original one for m=2.
I am sorry if somebody elso posted this before or if it is considered a boring example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a very elementary statement which one can prove by generalization. I think I have seen it in Arthur Engel&#8217;s Problem Solving Strategies: For all natural numbers n larger or equal to two, the following inequality holds:<br />
sqrt(2xsqrt(3x&#8230;xsqrt(n)&#8230;)&lt;3.<br />
One way to prove this is by proving the following stronger statement:<br />
For all natural numbers m, n satisfying 1&lt;m&lt;n+1 the inequality<br />
sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x&#8230;xsqrt(n)&#8230;)&lt;m+2 holds.<br />
Proof by induction: The statement holds for all natural numbers n, if m=n since sqrt(n)&lt;n+2. Now, suppose sqrt(mxsqrt((m+1)x&#8230;xsqrt(n)&#8230;)&lt;m+2 for some natural numbers m, n satisfying 2&lt;m&lt;n+1. Then,<br />
sqrt((m-1)xsqrt(mx&#8230;xsqrt(n)&#8230;)&lt;sqrt((m-1)(m+2))&lt;sqrt((m+1)^2)=m+1. Now, we have the general statement and get the original one for m=2.<br />
I am sorry if somebody elso posted this before or if it is considered a boring example.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some thoughts I hope will be constructive:

Gil touched on it above, but there should be a critical point where the Tricki can be referenced in MO answers, much like the nLab is. Often there is a bit of a feedback, when someone who is an active nLabber wants to answer an MO question, and to save time puts the answer in the appropriate (or creates an appropriate) nLab page, then links to it in their MO answer with enough padding to explain the first-level understanding of the answer, and a &#039;see details at [this page]&#039;. People don&#039;t seem to use MO to ask for techniques, but facts/references/examples, unlike Stackoverflow (at least, as I imagine it from my one or two brief glimpses). A bit of backward and forward, using MO to build up Tricki, then promoting an awareness of the sort of questions that Tricki can help answer (and that Tricki can answer them).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts I hope will be constructive:</p>
<p>Gil touched on it above, but there should be a critical point where the Tricki can be referenced in MO answers, much like the nLab is. Often there is a bit of a feedback, when someone who is an active nLabber wants to answer an MO question, and to save time puts the answer in the appropriate (or creates an appropriate) nLab page, then links to it in their MO answer with enough padding to explain the first-level understanding of the answer, and a &#8216;see details at [this page]&#8216;. People don&#8217;t seem to use MO to ask for techniques, but facts/references/examples, unlike Stackoverflow (at least, as I imagine it from my one or two brief glimpses). A bit of backward and forward, using MO to build up Tricki, then promoting an awareness of the sort of questions that Tricki can help answer (and that Tricki can answer them).</p>
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		<title>By: dmoskovich</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmoskovich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must admit not to being entirely convinced of the usefulness of Tricki. It&#039;s a lot of effort to write a good Tricki article, and there isn&#039;t enough motivation. It&#039;s not so easy to figure out a practical way to provide that motivation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit not to being entirely convinced of the usefulness of Tricki. It&#8217;s a lot of effort to write a good Tricki article, and there isn&#8217;t enough motivation. It&#8217;s not so easy to figure out a practical way to provide that motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmanuel Kowalski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still like the idea of the Tricki a lot. For me, the difficulty in writing more articles is that I feel that a Tricki article should be well-written, in a way which is different from either a blog post, or a MathOverflow question or answer.  And this means it involves more time -- I typically write blog posts in one sitting, and would dash off an answer to a MO question as I would a comment to a blog post, but when I wrote the only Tricki article I have done, it was more like writing a short survey paper. Unfortunately, time is difficult to find for such contributions, at least for me...

I think one should allow more time to judge whether the Tricki works.  I have written a few blog posts which, I think, would make good additions or complements to the Tricki, after some rewriting and editing, and hopefully I will do this one day.

(On the other hand, I am certainly against reputation systems, like the one in MO, which I find distinctly unhelpful.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still like the idea of the Tricki a lot. For me, the difficulty in writing more articles is that I feel that a Tricki article should be well-written, in a way which is different from either a blog post, or a MathOverflow question or answer.  And this means it involves more time &#8212; I typically write blog posts in one sitting, and would dash off an answer to a MO question as I would a comment to a blog post, but when I wrote the only Tricki article I have done, it was more like writing a short survey paper. Unfortunately, time is difficult to find for such contributions, at least for me&#8230;</p>
<p>I think one should allow more time to judge whether the Tricki works.  I have written a few blog posts which, I think, would make good additions or complements to the Tricki, after some rewriting and editing, and hopefully I will do this one day.</p>
<p>(On the other hand, I am certainly against reputation systems, like the one in MO, which I find distinctly unhelpful.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Sauvaget</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Sauvaget]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t it be worthwhile to then perhaps redo your experiment by asking another question that was really never asked on MO before?  

E.g. you might wish to focus on a topic known to be popular enough on MO (along the lines &quot;what tricks and thought processes do you wish to have known earlier when working on X (or: with a Y)&quot;, this to allow not using only the &#039;big-list&#039; tag on MO, which some people filter out, I think).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be worthwhile to then perhaps redo your experiment by asking another question that was really never asked on MO before?  </p>
<p>E.g. you might wish to focus on a topic known to be popular enough on MO (along the lines &#8220;what tricks and thought processes do you wish to have known earlier when working on X (or: with a Y)&#8221;, this to allow not using only the &#8216;big-list&#8217; tag on MO, which some people filter out, I think).</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/is-the-tricki-dead/#comment-9950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not a very auspicious start to the new era of Tricki/MO symbiosis. I asked the question &lt;a href=&quot;http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40005/generalizing-a-problem-to-make-it-easier&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and almost immediately it was pointed out that my question was a near duplicate of &lt;a href=&quot;http://mathoverflow.net/questions/21214/particular-problem-solved-by-solving-a-more-general-problem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this question&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not a very auspicious start to the new era of Tricki/MO symbiosis. I asked the question <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40005/generalizing-a-problem-to-make-it-easier" rel="nofollow">here</a> and almost immediately it was pointed out that my question was a near duplicate of <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/21214/particular-problem-solved-by-solving-a-more-general-problem" rel="nofollow">this question</a>.</p>
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