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		<title>By: Polymath5 &#8211; A somewhat surprising observation &#171; Random Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polymath5 &#8211; A somewhat surprising observation &#171; Random Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this post, Kevin O&#8217;Bryant has considered &#8220;least nonzero digit&#8221;-type examples . Encouraged [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this post, Kevin O&#8217;Bryant has considered &#8220;least nonzero digit&#8221;-type examples . Encouraged [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Polymath5 &#8211; A collection of results concerning the completely multiplicative case &#171; Random Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polymath5 &#8211; A collection of results concerning the completely multiplicative case &#171; Random Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Computer experiments so far did not find a  that grows slower than . For a given  let . Then  withis the largest  such that there is an  with . Proof idea: Do a computer search among all completely multiplicative discrepancy 2 functions with domain  ( must be less than 247). A  beating  thus has at least discrepancy  and thus  implying . [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Computer experiments so far did not find a  that grows slower than . For a given  let . Then  withis the largest  such that there is an  with . Proof idea: Do a computer search among all completely multiplicative discrepancy 2 functions with domain  ( must be less than 247). A  beating  thus has at least discrepancy  and thus  implying . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dyer</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have gone back to the Wiki and added a page for my graph theory generalization of the problem some 1000 comments back:

http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Generalize_to_a_graph-theoretic_formulation

The prime factorization algorithm is horribly messy (and not entirely bug-checked).

I still have hope for a statement stronger than the EDP which will be a generalized combinatoric version of the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have gone back to the Wiki and added a page for my graph theory generalization of the problem some 1000 comments back:</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Generalize_to_a_graph-theoretic_formulation" rel="nofollow">http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Generalize_to_a_graph-theoretic_formulation</a></p>
<p>The prime factorization algorithm is horribly messy (and not entirely bug-checked).</p>
<p>I still have hope for a statement stronger than the EDP which will be a generalized combinatoric version of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dyer</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Dyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have written &quot;A gentle introduction to the 5th Polymath project&quot;:

http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/a-gentle-introduction-to-the-5th-polymath-project/

I did not link to this blog, only to the wiki page. I figure anyone qualified enough to join in will be able to find their way here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written &#8220;A gentle introduction to the 5th Polymath project&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/a-gentle-introduction-to-the-5th-polymath-project/" rel="nofollow">http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/a-gentle-introduction-to-the-5th-polymath-project/</a></p>
<p>I did not link to this blog, only to the wiki page. I figure anyone qualified enough to join in will be able to find their way here.</p>
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		<title>By: Klas Markström</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klas Markström]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is another problem on restricted sets of  HAPs.

Assume that we look at sequneces of length $latex N$ and include the HAPs with difference 1, and the HAPs with difference $latex d$   for all prime $latex d\geq f(N)$.  

For $latex f(N)=\sqrt(N)$ sequences with bounded discrepancy are easy to construct. How small can we make $latex f(N)$ without getting a large discrepancy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another problem on restricted sets of  HAPs.</p>
<p>Assume that we look at sequneces of length <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' /> and include the HAPs with difference 1, and the HAPs with difference <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=d&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='d' title='d' class='latex' />   for all prime <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=d%5Cgeq+f%28N%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='d&#92;geq f(N)' title='d&#92;geq f(N)' class='latex' />.  </p>
<p>For <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=f%28N%29%3D%5Csqrt%28N%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='f(N)=&#92;sqrt(N)' title='f(N)=&#92;sqrt(N)' class='latex' /> sequences with bounded discrepancy are easy to construct. How small can we make <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=f%28N%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='f(N)' title='f(N)' class='latex' /> without getting a large discrepancy?</p>
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		<title>By: Klas Markström</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klas Markström]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since it has been a bit quiet here now I can at least add a short progress report regarding the C=2 case. The computers are still working on the last  stub and my original plan was to have it completed by now. However due to machine problem I had to restart some of the subcases from my backup copies and that set things back by about two weeks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it has been a bit quiet here now I can at least add a short progress report regarding the C=2 case. The computers are still working on the last  stub and my original plan was to have it completed by now. However due to machine problem I had to restart some of the subcases from my backup copies and that set things back by about two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Klas Markström</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klas Markström]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case someone involved has some software for computing  Haar wavelet transforms I think it could be interesting to see what such a transform of the long discrepancy 2 sequences look like, both for the general and multiplicative versions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case someone involved has some software for computing  Haar wavelet transforms I think it could be interesting to see what such a transform of the long discrepancy 2 sequences look like, both for the general and multiplicative versions.</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Stroinski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uwe Stroinski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was toying around with obryants description of log-bounded examples and our earlier discussion on flipping signs. Let&#039;s see what we can get.

Let f be completely multiplicative, fix a prime p and define another completely multiplicative g(p):=-f(p) and g(q):=f(q) for prime q not equal to p. Then, since f and g coincide on non-multiples of p, the partial sum of g up to n satisfies

$latex {g[n] = f[n]-\sum_{i=1}^{\lfloor\frac{n}{p}\rfloor} f(p i)+\sum_{i=1}^{\lfloor\frac{n}{p}\rfloor} g(p i)}&amp;fg=000000$

Using c.m. and the definition of g we end up with a recurrence

$latex {g[n] = f[n]-f(p)\left(f\left[\left\lfloor\frac{n}{p}\right\rfloor\right]+g\left[\left\lfloor\frac{n}{p}\right\rfloor\right]\right)}&amp;fg=000000$.

We solve this for $latex {n=p^m}&amp;fg=000000$ and get

$latex {g[p^m]=f[p^m]+2\sum_{i=0}^{m-1} (-f(p))^{m-i}f[p^i].}&amp;fg=000000$.

For f with bounded discrepancy $latex {&#124;f(n)&#124;\leq c}&amp;fg=000000$ this yields the following estimate

$latex {&#124;g[n]&#124;\leq 2c\log_p n +c.}&amp;fg=000000$

at prime powers $latex {n=p^m}&amp;fg=000000$. Therefore, for a c.m. function to satisfy EDP it is necessary that the flipped function is log-bounded at the powers of the &#039;flipped prime&#039;.

Obryant&#039;s log-bounded examples have discrepancy less than $latex {M(p,A) \log_p(n) + M(p,A)}&amp;fg=000000$ (in his notation). In principle they could be flips of bounded discrepancy functions. I am not optimistic that this is the case, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was toying around with obryants description of log-bounded examples and our earlier discussion on flipping signs. Let&#8217;s see what we can get.</p>
<p>Let f be completely multiplicative, fix a prime p and define another completely multiplicative g(p):=-f(p) and g(q):=f(q) for prime q not equal to p. Then, since f and g coincide on non-multiples of p, the partial sum of g up to n satisfies</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bg%5Bn%5D+%3D+f%5Bn%5D-%5Csum_%7Bi%3D1%7D%5E%7B%5Clfloor%5Cfrac%7Bn%7D%7Bp%7D%5Crfloor%7D+f%28p+i%29%2B%5Csum_%7Bi%3D1%7D%5E%7B%5Clfloor%5Cfrac%7Bn%7D%7Bp%7D%5Crfloor%7D+g%28p+i%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{g[n] = f[n]-&#92;sum_{i=1}^{&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;rfloor} f(p i)+&#92;sum_{i=1}^{&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;rfloor} g(p i)}' title='{g[n] = f[n]-&#92;sum_{i=1}^{&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;rfloor} f(p i)+&#92;sum_{i=1}^{&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;rfloor} g(p i)}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>Using c.m. and the definition of g we end up with a recurrence</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bg%5Bn%5D+%3D+f%5Bn%5D-f%28p%29%5Cleft%28f%5Cleft%5B%5Cleft%5Clfloor%5Cfrac%7Bn%7D%7Bp%7D%5Cright%5Crfloor%5Cright%5D%2Bg%5Cleft%5B%5Cleft%5Clfloor%5Cfrac%7Bn%7D%7Bp%7D%5Cright%5Crfloor%5Cright%5D%5Cright%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{g[n] = f[n]-f(p)&#92;left(f&#92;left[&#92;left&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;right&#92;rfloor&#92;right]+g&#92;left[&#92;left&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;right&#92;rfloor&#92;right]&#92;right)}' title='{g[n] = f[n]-f(p)&#92;left(f&#92;left[&#92;left&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;right&#92;rfloor&#92;right]+g&#92;left[&#92;left&#92;lfloor&#92;frac{n}{p}&#92;right&#92;rfloor&#92;right]&#92;right)}' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>We solve this for <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bn%3Dp%5Em%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{n=p^m}' title='{n=p^m}' class='latex' /> and get</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bg%5Bp%5Em%5D%3Df%5Bp%5Em%5D%2B2%5Csum_%7Bi%3D0%7D%5E%7Bm-1%7D+%28-f%28p%29%29%5E%7Bm-i%7Df%5Bp%5Ei%5D.%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{g[p^m]=f[p^m]+2&#92;sum_{i=0}^{m-1} (-f(p))^{m-i}f[p^i].}' title='{g[p^m]=f[p^m]+2&#92;sum_{i=0}^{m-1} (-f(p))^{m-i}f[p^i].}' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>For f with bounded discrepancy <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%7Cf%28n%29%7C%5Cleq+c%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{|f(n)|&#92;leq c}' title='{|f(n)|&#92;leq c}' class='latex' /> this yields the following estimate</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%7Cg%5Bn%5D%7C%5Cleq+2c%5Clog_p+n+%2Bc.%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{|g[n]|&#92;leq 2c&#92;log_p n +c.}' title='{|g[n]|&#92;leq 2c&#92;log_p n +c.}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>at prime powers <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Bn%3Dp%5Em%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{n=p^m}' title='{n=p^m}' class='latex' />. Therefore, for a c.m. function to satisfy EDP it is necessary that the flipped function is log-bounded at the powers of the &#8216;flipped prime&#8217;.</p>
<p>Obryant&#8217;s log-bounded examples have discrepancy less than <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7BM%28p%2CA%29+%5Clog_p%28n%29+%2B+M%28p%2CA%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{M(p,A) &#92;log_p(n) + M(p,A)}' title='{M(p,A) &#92;log_p(n) + M(p,A)}' class='latex' /> (in his notation). In principle they could be flips of bounded discrepancy functions. I am not optimistic that this is the case, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Moses Charikar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moses Charikar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know enough about Kadison-Singer to say if there is a connection. Gil, can you elaborate on what you think the relation might be ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about Kadison-Singer to say if there is a connection. Gil, can you elaborate on what you think the relation might be ?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there any relation to the Paving conjecture (aka Kadison-Singer conj)? (maybe this is related to EDP12&#039;s discussion). It looks artificially similar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any relation to the Paving conjecture (aka Kadison-Singer conj)? (maybe this is related to EDP12&#8242;s discussion). It looks artificially similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Moses Charikar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moses Charikar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been tied up with other things and taking a hiatus from EDP. I just want to summarize various LP/SDP approaches to EDP. What I am saying is nothing new, but is a summary of what we know about the various strengthenings of EDP we&#039;ve considered and their relationships.

Consider a $latex \pm 1$ sequence $latex X = (x_1,x_2,\ldots)$, and consider the associated matrix $latex A$ such that $latex A_{ij} = x_i x_j$, i.e. $latex A = X X^T$. The approach is to prove something about $latex A$ which would imply that the HAP discrepancy of $latex X$ is large, i.e. that $latex P \cdot X$ is large for some $latex P$ that is the characeristic vector of a HAP. In proving something like this, we need to exploit the fact that $latex A$ is obtained from a $latex \pm 1$ sequence. The various approaches differ in what properties of $latex A$ they use giving rise to a sequence of strengthenings of EDP. At the very least, they use the fact that the diagonal entries are 1, and in fact some use only this fact. 

Here is a sequence of conjectures, ordered from strongest to weakest -- each is stronger than EDP and would imply EDP if true.

&lt;strong&gt; Conjecture 1 :&lt;/strong&gt; For any matrix $latex A$ with &lt;em&gt; ones on the diagonal&lt;/em&gt; , there exists a HAP $latex P$ such that $latex &#124;P^T A P&#124;$ is large.

If true, this would imply EDP, because in particular, consider $latex A = X X^T$. Then $latex P^T A P = (X \cdot P)^2$. Thus $latex &#124;P^T A P&#124;$ is large implies that the discrepancy of $latex X$ is large. Unfortunately, this conjecture is too strong. Alec gave a construction of a matrix $latex A$ such that $latex &#124;P^T A P&#124; \leq 1$ for all HAPs $latex P$.

&lt;strong&gt; Conjecture 2 :&lt;/strong&gt; For any matrix $latex A$ with &lt;em&gt; ones on the diagonal &lt;/em&gt;, there exist HAPs $latex P,Q$ such that $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ is large.

The proof that this would imply EDP is similar to the argument earlier. Consider $latex A = X^T X$. Then $P^T A Q = (X \cdot P)(X \cdot Q)$, hence $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ large implies that the discrepancy of $latex X$ is large. 

This conjecture is the basis for Tim&#039;s representation of diagonals approach. We can express the problem of finding an matrix $latex A$ such that $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ is bounded as a linear program, then the dual problem gives a lower bound for how small $latex \max_{P,Q} &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ can be made by choosing $latex A$ apppropriately. In fact, the dual is exactly the problem of constructing the diagonal representation that Tim defined.

We have also considered the stronger
&lt;strong&gt; Conjecture 1.5 :&lt;/strong&gt; $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ is large for HAPs $latex P,Q$ with the &lt;em&gt; same common difference &lt;/em&gt;. Experimental evidence suggests that this is false (see Problem 1 in Tim&#039;s EDP13 post). So far, we don&#039;t have an explicit construction of a matrix $latex A$ with ones on the diagonal that falsifies this conjecture, but I believe this should be possible.

&lt;strong&gt; Conjecture 3 :&lt;/strong&gt; For any &lt;em&gt; positive semidefinite &lt;/em&gt; matrix $latex A$ with &lt;em&gt; ones on the diagonal &lt;/em&gt;, there exists a HAP $latex P$ such that $latex P^T A P$ is large.

Note that $latex A=X^T X$ is positive semidefinite, hence the statement applies to it. This conjecture is the basis of the SDP approach to proving a lower bound on EDP. The problem of finding the &quot;best&quot; psd matrix $latex A$ can be formulated as a semidefinite program and giving a lower bound for the value of this SDP by constructing a feasible dual solution amounts to producing a certain quadratic form, and subtracting a large diagonal term from it such that the remainder is positive semidefinite.

We ought to consider the analog of Conjecture 2 for psd matrices giving the potentially weaker statement:
&lt;strong&gt; Conjecture 4 :&lt;/strong&gt; For any &lt;em&gt; positive semidefinite &lt;/em&gt; matrix $latex A$ with &lt;em&gt; ones on the diagonal &lt;/em&gt;, there exists HAPs $latex P,Q$ such that $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124;$ is large.

In fact, it turns out that Conjecture 4 is equivalent to Conjecture 3, since (as Tim pointed out earlier) for psd matrices $latex A$, $latex &#124;P^T A Q&#124; \leq (P^TAP)^{1/2}(Q^TAQ)^{1/2}$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been tied up with other things and taking a hiatus from EDP. I just want to summarize various LP/SDP approaches to EDP. What I am saying is nothing new, but is a summary of what we know about the various strengthenings of EDP we&#8217;ve considered and their relationships.</p>
<p>Consider a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpm+1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;pm 1' title='&#92;pm 1' class='latex' /> sequence <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=X+%3D+%28x_1%2Cx_2%2C%5Cldots%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='X = (x_1,x_2,&#92;ldots)' title='X = (x_1,x_2,&#92;ldots)' class='latex' />, and consider the associated matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A_%7Bij%7D+%3D+x_i+x_j&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A_{ij} = x_i x_j' title='A_{ij} = x_i x_j' class='latex' />, i.e. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%3D+X+X%5ET&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A = X X^T' title='A = X X^T' class='latex' />. The approach is to prove something about <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> which would imply that the HAP discrepancy of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='X' title='X' class='latex' /> is large, i.e. that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P+%5Ccdot+X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P &#92;cdot X' title='P &#92;cdot X' class='latex' /> is large for some <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P' title='P' class='latex' /> that is the characeristic vector of a HAP. In proving something like this, we need to exploit the fact that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> is obtained from a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpm+1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;pm 1' title='&#92;pm 1' class='latex' /> sequence. The various approaches differ in what properties of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> they use giving rise to a sequence of strengthenings of EDP. At the very least, they use the fact that the diagonal entries are 1, and in fact some use only this fact. </p>
<p>Here is a sequence of conjectures, ordered from strongest to weakest &#8212; each is stronger than EDP and would imply EDP if true.</p>
<p><strong> Conjecture 1 :</strong> For any matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <em> ones on the diagonal</em> , there exists a HAP <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P' title='P' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+P%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A P|' title='|P^T A P|' class='latex' /> is large.</p>
<p>If true, this would imply EDP, because in particular, consider <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%3D+X+X%5ET&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A = X X^T' title='A = X X^T' class='latex' />. Then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P%5ET+A+P+%3D+%28X+%5Ccdot+P%29%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P^T A P = (X &#92;cdot P)^2' title='P^T A P = (X &#92;cdot P)^2' class='latex' />. Thus <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+P%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A P|' title='|P^T A P|' class='latex' /> is large implies that the discrepancy of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='X' title='X' class='latex' /> is large. Unfortunately, this conjecture is too strong. Alec gave a construction of a matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+P%7C+%5Cleq+1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A P| &#92;leq 1' title='|P^T A P| &#92;leq 1' class='latex' /> for all HAPs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P' title='P' class='latex' />.</p>
<p><strong> Conjecture 2 :</strong> For any matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <em> ones on the diagonal </em>, there exist HAPs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P%2CQ&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P,Q' title='P,Q' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q|' title='|P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> is large.</p>
<p>The proof that this would imply EDP is similar to the argument earlier. Consider <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A+%3D+X%5ET+X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A = X^T X' title='A = X^T X' class='latex' />. Then $P^T A Q = (X \cdot P)(X \cdot Q)$, hence <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q|' title='|P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> large implies that the discrepancy of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='X' title='X' class='latex' /> is large. </p>
<p>This conjecture is the basis for Tim&#8217;s representation of diagonals approach. We can express the problem of finding an matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q|' title='|P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> is bounded as a linear program, then the dual problem gives a lower bound for how small <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmax_%7BP%2CQ%7D+%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;max_{P,Q} |P^T A Q|' title='&#92;max_{P,Q} |P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> can be made by choosing <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> apppropriately. In fact, the dual is exactly the problem of constructing the diagonal representation that Tim defined.</p>
<p>We have also considered the stronger<br />
<strong> Conjecture 1.5 :</strong> <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q|' title='|P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> is large for HAPs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P%2CQ&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P,Q' title='P,Q' class='latex' /> with the <em> same common difference </em>. Experimental evidence suggests that this is false (see Problem 1 in Tim&#8217;s EDP13 post). So far, we don&#8217;t have an explicit construction of a matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with ones on the diagonal that falsifies this conjecture, but I believe this should be possible.</p>
<p><strong> Conjecture 3 :</strong> For any <em> positive semidefinite </em> matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <em> ones on the diagonal </em>, there exists a HAP <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P' title='P' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P%5ET+A+P&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P^T A P' title='P^T A P' class='latex' /> is large.</p>
<p>Note that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A%3DX%5ET+X&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A=X^T X' title='A=X^T X' class='latex' /> is positive semidefinite, hence the statement applies to it. This conjecture is the basis of the SDP approach to proving a lower bound on EDP. The problem of finding the &#8220;best&#8221; psd matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> can be formulated as a semidefinite program and giving a lower bound for the value of this SDP by constructing a feasible dual solution amounts to producing a certain quadratic form, and subtracting a large diagonal term from it such that the remainder is positive semidefinite.</p>
<p>We ought to consider the analog of Conjecture 2 for psd matrices giving the potentially weaker statement:<br />
<strong> Conjecture 4 :</strong> For any <em> positive semidefinite </em> matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> with <em> ones on the diagonal </em>, there exists HAPs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=P%2CQ&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='P,Q' title='P,Q' class='latex' /> such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q|' title='|P^T A Q|' class='latex' /> is large.</p>
<p>In fact, it turns out that Conjecture 4 is equivalent to Conjecture 3, since (as Tim pointed out earlier) for psd matrices <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' />, <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7CP%5ET+A+Q%7C+%5Cleq+%28P%5ETAP%29%5E%7B1%2F2%7D%28Q%5ETAQ%29%5E%7B1%2F2%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|P^T A Q| &#92;leq (P^TAP)^{1/2}(Q^TAQ)^{1/2}' title='|P^T A Q| &#92;leq (P^TAP)^{1/2}(Q^TAQ)^{1/2}' class='latex' />.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Kevin, here I mean the following: you want to assign the square free numbers values -1 and 1 so that when you sum these values for the square free numbers in every HAP the discrepency (absolute value of the sum) is small. 

I would expect that just like the original EDP, you cannot make the discrepency uniformy bounded. But that you can make it grow logrithmically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kevin, here I mean the following: you want to assign the square free numbers values -1 and 1 so that when you sum these values for the square free numbers in every HAP the discrepency (absolute value of the sum) is small. </p>
<p>I would expect that just like the original EDP, you cannot make the discrepency uniformy bounded. But that you can make it grow logrithmically.</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean by &quot;EDP for square free numbers&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by &#8220;EDP for square free numbers&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kalai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Kalai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are a few questions that I am curious about and maybe they can be answered easily:

1) How is our basic $latex \mu_3$ multiplicative example (based on the least significant non zero digit in the ternary expansion) behaves if we restrict it just to the first k primes (and let it be 0 on other primes). 

2) How small maximum discrepency can we ensure simultanusly for a
multiplicative -1 +1 function and all its restrictions when we force the value 0 on a finite subset of primes. 
 
3) suppose we just ask EDP for square free numbers. (I still tend to speculate you can get logarithmically low discrepency in this case as well.) How good is $latex \mu_3$? (Maybe this was already answered.)

4) How does the greedy-look-ahead algorithm for multiplicative sequences works. In this algorithm, given n, you choose the value of f on the kth prime as to minimize the discrepency (for all intervals [0,r] r &lt;=n), when the values for all larger primes is set to 0. 

I think there is a good shot that it will be logarithmic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a few questions that I am curious about and maybe they can be answered easily:</p>
<p>1) How is our basic <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmu_3&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mu_3' title='&#92;mu_3' class='latex' /> multiplicative example (based on the least significant non zero digit in the ternary expansion) behaves if we restrict it just to the first k primes (and let it be 0 on other primes). </p>
<p>2) How small maximum discrepency can we ensure simultanusly for a<br />
multiplicative -1 +1 function and all its restrictions when we force the value 0 on a finite subset of primes. </p>
<p>3) suppose we just ask EDP for square free numbers. (I still tend to speculate you can get logarithmically low discrepency in this case as well.) How good is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmu_3&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mu_3' title='&#92;mu_3' class='latex' />? (Maybe this was already answered.)</p>
<p>4) How does the greedy-look-ahead algorithm for multiplicative sequences works. In this algorithm, given n, you choose the value of f on the kth prime as to minimize the discrepency (for all intervals [0,r] r &lt;=n), when the values for all larger primes is set to 0. </p>
<p>I think there is a good shot that it will be logarithmic.</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Stroinski</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uwe Stroinski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a double counting argument we get $latex {-c\leq\frac{1}{n}\sum_{i=1}^n \sigma_0(i)x_i\leq c}&amp;fg=000000$ (with $latex {\sigma_0}&amp;fg=000000$ the divisor counting function) as a necessary condition. This condition is weak, however it led me to consider the divisor counts near 246 (the length of the longest completely multiplicative sequence with discrepancy 2) and 1.124 (the length of the so far known longest sequence with discrepancy 2). The proofs we have so far do not give us an idea of what makes these numbers so special. Now, a heuristical argument could be: 247 is near to 240, which is the first number with 20 divisors. In the non-c.m. case the situation is as follows: 840 has 32 divisors, 1.080 has 32 divisors and 1.120 has 24 divisors (still a lot). Either this divisor count heuristics is just a coincidence or it does only hold for c.m., or 1.124 is probably not optimal. Unfortunately, my lap top has not enough power to do searches beyond length 400. 1.260 (36 divisors) would be the next maximum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a double counting argument we get <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B-c%5Cleq%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7Bn%7D%5Csum_%7Bi%3D1%7D%5En+%5Csigma_0%28i%29x_i%5Cleq+c%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{-c&#92;leq&#92;frac{1}{n}&#92;sum_{i=1}^n &#92;sigma_0(i)x_i&#92;leq c}' title='{-c&#92;leq&#92;frac{1}{n}&#92;sum_{i=1}^n &#92;sigma_0(i)x_i&#92;leq c}' class='latex' /> (with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7B%5Csigma_0%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='{&#92;sigma_0}' title='{&#92;sigma_0}' class='latex' /> the divisor counting function) as a necessary condition. This condition is weak, however it led me to consider the divisor counts near 246 (the length of the longest completely multiplicative sequence with discrepancy 2) and 1.124 (the length of the so far known longest sequence with discrepancy 2). The proofs we have so far do not give us an idea of what makes these numbers so special. Now, a heuristical argument could be: 247 is near to 240, which is the first number with 20 divisors. In the non-c.m. case the situation is as follows: 840 has 32 divisors, 1.080 has 32 divisors and 1.120 has 24 divisors (still a lot). Either this divisor count heuristics is just a coincidence or it does only hold for c.m., or 1.124 is probably not optimal. Unfortunately, my lap top has not enough power to do searches beyond length 400. 1.260 (36 divisors) would be the next maximum.</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Set $latex M(m)$ as defined &lt;a href=&quot;http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7047&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a few posts ago&lt;/a&gt;, and recall that we want $latex M(m)/\log(m)$ to be small. From exhaustive computations, we get that M(49)=2, which is quite possibly the largest m with M(m)=2. In any case, when m is a square we seem to get smaller-than-usual M&#039;s. Also, M(27) is smaller than nearby values.

This led me to consider whether there might be a finite field construction of the sets A that work well. The way finite fields are used to generate as-good-as-random constructions is to use the connection between the cyclic multiplicative group  and the representation of $latex x^i$ in some fixed basis. This isn&#039;t so nice for us, since the multiplicative group will always have even order, whereas we need m to be odd.

Wait, the mult group isn&#039;t always of even order. If $latex q=2^k$, then the multiplicative group has order $m=2^k-1$, which is at least odd. This still isn&#039;t so nice for us, though, since such m will be prime for infinitely many k (no, I can&#039;t prove that), and we know from Roth&#039;s result that $M(p) \gg p^{1/4}$ for primes $latex p$.

Short story even shorter: I don&#039;t see finite field arithmetic generating any good EDP constructions. 

My machine is chugging away on deciding if M(121) is 2 or 3 or 4, and I expect that it will finish in a week or two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M%28m%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M(m)' title='M(m)' class='latex' /> as defined <a href="http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7047" rel="nofollow">a few posts ago</a>, and recall that we want <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M%28m%29%2F%5Clog%28m%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M(m)/&#92;log(m)' title='M(m)/&#92;log(m)' class='latex' /> to be small. From exhaustive computations, we get that M(49)=2, which is quite possibly the largest m with M(m)=2. In any case, when m is a square we seem to get smaller-than-usual M&#8217;s. Also, M(27) is smaller than nearby values.</p>
<p>This led me to consider whether there might be a finite field construction of the sets A that work well. The way finite fields are used to generate as-good-as-random constructions is to use the connection between the cyclic multiplicative group  and the representation of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=x%5Ei&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='x^i' title='x^i' class='latex' /> in some fixed basis. This isn&#8217;t so nice for us, since the multiplicative group will always have even order, whereas we need m to be odd.</p>
<p>Wait, the mult group isn&#8217;t always of even order. If <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=q%3D2%5Ek&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='q=2^k' title='q=2^k' class='latex' />, then the multiplicative group has order $m=2^k-1$, which is at least odd. This still isn&#8217;t so nice for us, though, since such m will be prime for infinitely many k (no, I can&#8217;t prove that), and we know from Roth&#8217;s result that $M(p) \gg p^{1/4}$ for primes <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=p&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='p' title='p' class='latex' />.</p>
<p>Short story even shorter: I don&#8217;t see finite field arithmetic generating any good EDP constructions. </p>
<p>My machine is chugging away on deciding if M(121) is 2 or 3 or 4, and I expect that it will finish in a week or two.</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More data:

M&gt;2 for m=43,47,51,53,55,57,59,61,63,65

M=2 for m=45 (A={1,3,4,9,10,11,12,14,16,19,21,25,26,29,30,31,34,36,39,40,41,44})

Currently working on: M(121).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More data:</p>
<p>M&gt;2 for m=43,47,51,53,55,57,59,61,63,65</p>
<p>M=2 for m=45 (A={1,3,4,9,10,11,12,14,16,19,21,25,26,29,30,31,34,36,39,40,41,44})</p>
<p>Currently working on: M(121).</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m quite busy at the moment, so for a while I still don&#039;t have time to put in a lot of effort on EDP. But in order to demonstrate that I haven&#039;t given up on it -- I&#039;m just having a rest -- I thought I&#039;d write a quick comment.

I&#039;m still thinking about trying to find a good decomposition of a diagonal matrix. I&#039;m going to assume that this matrix is non-negative (even though we don&#039;t actually need that to be the case). So let us call it $latex D^2$. 

Now let $latex U$ be an orthogonal matrix and let the columns of $latex U$ be $latex u_1,\dots,u_n$. Then $latex UU^T$ can easily be checked to be $latex \sum_iu_i\otimes u_i$. Since that is the identity, it follows that $latex DU(DU)^T=D^2$. Now the columns of $latex DU$ are $latex Du_1,\dots,Du_n$, so $latex D^2=\sum_i (Du_i)\otimes(Du_i)$. 

This gives us another way we could perhaps approach finding a diagonal representation. The idea would be to begin by finding some natural orthonormal basis -- an obvious choice would be the trigonometric functions -- then multiply them pointwise by a vector $latex (\lambda_1,\dots,\lambda_n)$ (the coefficients of the diagonal matrix $latex D$), and hope to choose the $latex \lambda_i$ in some clever way to make the resulting vectors $latex Du_i$ efficiently representable as linear combinations of HAPs. 

It might sound as though a serious disadvantage of this approach is the usual difficulty that we don&#039;t know how to guess the $latex \lambda_i$. But I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s true: we could begin by looking at which vectors we find we can represent efficiently by HAPs, and then use those to guide us to our choice of the $latex \lambda_i$. And we also have some clues from the experimental evidence about which diagonal matrices can be represented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite busy at the moment, so for a while I still don&#8217;t have time to put in a lot of effort on EDP. But in order to demonstrate that I haven&#8217;t given up on it &#8212; I&#8217;m just having a rest &#8212; I thought I&#8217;d write a quick comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still thinking about trying to find a good decomposition of a diagonal matrix. I&#8217;m going to assume that this matrix is non-negative (even though we don&#8217;t actually need that to be the case). So let us call it <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=D%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='D^2' title='D^2' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>Now let <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='U' title='U' class='latex' /> be an orthogonal matrix and let the columns of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=U&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='U' title='U' class='latex' /> be <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=u_1%2C%5Cdots%2Cu_n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='u_1,&#92;dots,u_n' title='u_1,&#92;dots,u_n' class='latex' />. Then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=UU%5ET&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='UU^T' title='UU^T' class='latex' /> can easily be checked to be <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum_iu_i%5Cotimes+u_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum_iu_i&#92;otimes u_i' title='&#92;sum_iu_i&#92;otimes u_i' class='latex' />. Since that is the identity, it follows that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=DU%28DU%29%5ET%3DD%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='DU(DU)^T=D^2' title='DU(DU)^T=D^2' class='latex' />. Now the columns of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=DU&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='DU' title='DU' class='latex' /> are <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=Du_1%2C%5Cdots%2CDu_n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='Du_1,&#92;dots,Du_n' title='Du_1,&#92;dots,Du_n' class='latex' />, so <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=D%5E2%3D%5Csum_i+%28Du_i%29%5Cotimes%28Du_i%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='D^2=&#92;sum_i (Du_i)&#92;otimes(Du_i)' title='D^2=&#92;sum_i (Du_i)&#92;otimes(Du_i)' class='latex' />. </p>
<p>This gives us another way we could perhaps approach finding a diagonal representation. The idea would be to begin by finding some natural orthonormal basis &#8212; an obvious choice would be the trigonometric functions &#8212; then multiply them pointwise by a vector <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%28%5Clambda_1%2C%5Cdots%2C%5Clambda_n%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='(&#92;lambda_1,&#92;dots,&#92;lambda_n)' title='(&#92;lambda_1,&#92;dots,&#92;lambda_n)' class='latex' /> (the coefficients of the diagonal matrix <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='D' title='D' class='latex' />), and hope to choose the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clambda_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;lambda_i' title='&#92;lambda_i' class='latex' /> in some clever way to make the resulting vectors <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=Du_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='Du_i' title='Du_i' class='latex' /> efficiently representable as linear combinations of HAPs. </p>
<p>It might sound as though a serious disadvantage of this approach is the usual difficulty that we don&#8217;t know how to guess the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clambda_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;lambda_i' title='&#92;lambda_i' class='latex' />. But I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s true: we could begin by looking at which vectors we find we can represent efficiently by HAPs, and then use those to guide us to our choice of the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clambda_i&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;lambda_i' title='&#92;lambda_i' class='latex' />. And we also have some clues from the experimental evidence about which diagonal matrices can be represented.</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7073</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[m=41, M&gt;3

m=49, M=2, A=({1,2,4}+{0,7,14,21,28,35,42}) \cup (7*{3,5,6})]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m=41, M&gt;3</p>
<p>m=49, M=2, A=({1,2,4}+{0,7,14,21,28,35,42}) \cup (7*{3,5,6})</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[obryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Latest data implies M(105)&gt;2, so it can&#039;t set a record. All that&#039;s needed for a record is an odd m strictly between $latex 9^r$ and $latex 9^{r+1}$ with $latex M(m) \leq r$, or to show that $latex M(9^r)&lt;r$ for some r. For r=1, this is impossible by computation for m=11 and because any sequence of length 12 has homo. disc. at least 2 even without wrap-around. I was hoping that perhaps m=105 could be worked with by understanding m=15,21,35, but even if that&#039;s the case we must have $M(105)\geq M(21) =3$, so that it won&#039;t be a record.

I&#039;m not convinced that M(m)/log(m) is bounded away from 0 (it certainly seems likely), but I don&#039;t see any way to make progress on this.

Here&#039;s the new data (giving one example for each modulus)

m=3, M=1, A={1} 

m=5, M=1, A={1,4} 

m=7,  M=2, A={1,2,4} 

m=9, M=1, A={1,4,6,7}

m=11,  M=2, A={1,2,4,7,9}

m=13,  M=2, A={1,3,4,9,10,12} 

m=15,  M=2, A={1, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 13}

m=17,  M=2, A={1,2,4,8,9,13,15,16} 

m=19,  M=3, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 16, 17} 

m=21,  M=3, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20}

m=23,  M=4, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20}

m=25,  M=2,  A={1, 2, 6, 7, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22}

m=27,  M=2,  A={1, 4, 6, 7, 10, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 22, 24, 25}

m=29,  M=3,  A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 16, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28}

m=31,  M=4,  A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30}

m=33,  M=3,  A={1,2,4,7,9,12,13,15,18,20,22,23,24,26,29,31}

m=35,  M=3,  A={1,3,6,8,10,13,14,17,20,21,22,24,25,27,29,31,34}

m=37,  M=4,  A={1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 21, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 33, 34, 36}

m=39, M=3, A={1,2,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,19,20,24,25,27,28,30,32,37,38}


m=81, M=2, A=({1,4,6,7}+{0,9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72}) \cup (9*{1,4,6,7})]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest data implies M(105)&gt;2, so it can&#8217;t set a record. All that&#8217;s needed for a record is an odd m strictly between <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=9%5Er&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='9^r' title='9^r' class='latex' /> and <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=9%5E%7Br%2B1%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='9^{r+1}' title='9^{r+1}' class='latex' /> with <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M%28m%29+%5Cleq+r&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M(m) &#92;leq r' title='M(m) &#92;leq r' class='latex' />, or to show that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=M%289%5Er%29%3Cr&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='M(9^r)&lt;r' title='M(9^r)&lt;r' class='latex' /> for some r. For r=1, this is impossible by computation for m=11 and because any sequence of length 12 has homo. disc. at least 2 even without wrap-around. I was hoping that perhaps m=105 could be worked with by understanding m=15,21,35, but even if that&#039;s the case we must have $M(105)\geq M(21) =3$, so that it won&#039;t be a record.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not convinced that M(m)/log(m) is bounded away from 0 (it certainly seems likely), but I don&#039;t see any way to make progress on this.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s the new data (giving one example for each modulus)</p>
<p>m=3, M=1, A={1} </p>
<p>m=5, M=1, A={1,4} </p>
<p>m=7,  M=2, A={1,2,4} </p>
<p>m=9, M=1, A={1,4,6,7}</p>
<p>m=11,  M=2, A={1,2,4,7,9}</p>
<p>m=13,  M=2, A={1,3,4,9,10,12} </p>
<p>m=15,  M=2, A={1, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 13}</p>
<p>m=17,  M=2, A={1,2,4,8,9,13,15,16} </p>
<p>m=19,  M=3, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 16, 17} </p>
<p>m=21,  M=3, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20}</p>
<p>m=23,  M=4, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20}</p>
<p>m=25,  M=2,  A={1, 2, 6, 7, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22}</p>
<p>m=27,  M=2,  A={1, 4, 6, 7, 10, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 22, 24, 25}</p>
<p>m=29,  M=3,  A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 16, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28}</p>
<p>m=31,  M=4,  A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30}</p>
<p>m=33,  M=3,  A={1,2,4,7,9,12,13,15,18,20,22,23,24,26,29,31}</p>
<p>m=35,  M=3,  A={1,3,6,8,10,13,14,17,20,21,22,24,25,27,29,31,34}</p>
<p>m=37,  M=4,  A={1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 21, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 33, 34, 36}</p>
<p>m=39, M=3, A={1,2,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,19,20,24,25,27,28,30,32,37,38}</p>
<p>m=81, M=2, A=({1,4,6,7}+{0,9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72}) \cup (9*{1,4,6,7})</p>
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		<title>By: obryant</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/edp13-quick-summary/#comment-7063</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In summary, quadratic residues are the unique optimal for m in {3,5,17, 29}, are the nonunique optimal for m in {7,13,19,37}, and are not as good as optimal for m in {11,23,31}.

Just being concerned about the coefficient of the log in the discrepancy gives some symmetries: all of A, t*A (the dilation of A mod m by a factor of t, with (t,m)=1), A&#039; (the complement of A in {1,2,...,m-1}, and t*A&#039; give the same coefficient. Ignoring those symmetries, here are the optimal A I&#039;ve found so far:

m=3, A={1} (quadratic residues)

m=5, A={1,4} (quadratic residues)

m=7, A={1,2,4} (quadratic residues)

m=7, A={1,5,6}

m=11, A={1,2,4,7,9}

m=13, A={1,3,4,9,10,12} (quadratic residues)

m=13, A={1,2,4,9,11,12}

m=17, A={1,2,4,8,9,13,15,16} (quadratic residues)

m=19, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 16, 17} (quad. res.)

m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 14, 17, 18}

m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18}

m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 12, 13, 16, 18}

m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 12, 13, 17, 18}

m=23, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20}, and 567 other equivalence classes of optimal A, none of which are the quad. res.

m=29, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 16, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28} (quad res)

m=31, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30}, and 51 other equivalence classes of optimal A, none of which are the quad. res.

m=37, A={1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 21, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 33, 34, 36} (quad res), and 12 other equivalence classes of optimal A]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In summary, quadratic residues are the unique optimal for m in {3,5,17, 29}, are the nonunique optimal for m in {7,13,19,37}, and are not as good as optimal for m in {11,23,31}.</p>
<p>Just being concerned about the coefficient of the log in the discrepancy gives some symmetries: all of A, t*A (the dilation of A mod m by a factor of t, with (t,m)=1), A&#8217; (the complement of A in {1,2,&#8230;,m-1}, and t*A&#8217; give the same coefficient. Ignoring those symmetries, here are the optimal A I&#8217;ve found so far:</p>
<p>m=3, A={1} (quadratic residues)</p>
<p>m=5, A={1,4} (quadratic residues)</p>
<p>m=7, A={1,2,4} (quadratic residues)</p>
<p>m=7, A={1,5,6}</p>
<p>m=11, A={1,2,4,7,9}</p>
<p>m=13, A={1,3,4,9,10,12} (quadratic residues)</p>
<p>m=13, A={1,2,4,9,11,12}</p>
<p>m=17, A={1,2,4,8,9,13,15,16} (quadratic residues)</p>
<p>m=19, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 16, 17} (quad. res.)</p>
<p>m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 14, 17, 18}</p>
<p>m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 5, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18}</p>
<p>m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 12, 13, 16, 18}</p>
<p>m=19, A={1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 12, 13, 17, 18}</p>
<p>m=23, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 15, 17, 20}, and 567 other equivalence classes of optimal A, none of which are the quad. res.</p>
<p>m=29, A={1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, 16, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28} (quad res)</p>
<p>m=31, A={1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30}, and 51 other equivalence classes of optimal A, none of which are the quad. res.</p>
<p>m=37, A={1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 21, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 33, 34, 36} (quad res), and 12 other equivalence classes of optimal A</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Edgington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Edgington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, for the prime $latex m$ that you&#039;ve worked out, is the optimal set $latex A$ always the set of quadratic residues modulo $latex m$?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, for the prime <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=m&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='m' title='m' class='latex' /> that you&#8217;ve worked out, is the optimal set <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=A&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='A' title='A' class='latex' /> always the set of quadratic residues modulo <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=m&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='m' title='m' class='latex' />?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristal Cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristal Cantwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have made an error in the above posts. I need drift 7 to force discrepancy 4. Drift 6 only works for one where the drift starts with consecutive values of the same sign starting at an odd number. Drift 5 
can be used to prove discrepancy 3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made an error in the above posts. I need drift 7 to force discrepancy 4. Drift 6 only works for one where the drift starts with consecutive values of the same sign starting at an odd number. Drift 5<br />
can be used to prove discrepancy 3.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Edgington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Edgington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it is ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it is &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I&#039;ve got the right question here after a quick reading, you find that the average of $latex &#124;f_N(z)&#124;^2$ over all $latex z$ in the unit circle is $latex N$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;ve got the right question here after a quick reading, you find that the average of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%7Cf_N%28z%29%7C%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='|f_N(z)|^2' title='|f_N(z)|^2' class='latex' /> over all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z' title='z' class='latex' /> in the unit circle is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=N&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='N' title='N' class='latex' />.</p>
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