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		<title>By: Matthew Emerton</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Emerton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Weierstrass,

Actually, while it is true that algebraic number theory is (in part) the
algebraic theory of numbers, it is just as much the theory of algebraic
numbers.  (And its study involves methods that are not algebraic, as
well as methods that are.)  So perhaps the ambiguity is not actually so
bad in this particular instance.

Best wishes,

Matthew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Weierstrass,</p>
<p>Actually, while it is true that algebraic number theory is (in part) the<br />
algebraic theory of numbers, it is just as much the theory of algebraic<br />
numbers.  (And its study involves methods that are not algebraic, as<br />
well as methods that are.)  So perhaps the ambiguity is not actually so<br />
bad in this particular instance.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Matthew</p>
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		<title>By: weierstrass</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-3205</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my lecturers started a course by saying &quot;The problem with language is that it&#039;s not associative.&quot; and went on to explain that while algebraic number theory could be the theory of algebraic numbers, it was in fact the algebraic theory of numbers.

The best non-mathematical example I could think of was &quot;Third World War&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my lecturers started a course by saying &#8220;The problem with language is that it&#8217;s not associative.&#8221; and went on to explain that while algebraic number theory could be the theory of algebraic numbers, it was in fact the algebraic theory of numbers.</p>
<p>The best non-mathematical example I could think of was &#8220;Third World War&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: A Beautiful Garden of Hypertrees &#171; Combinatorics and more</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Beautiful Garden of Hypertrees &#171; Combinatorics and more]]></dc:creator>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] theorem were Q-acyclic complexes  with  vertices,  edges, and  triangles. One example is the six-vertex triangulation of the real projective plane. But here, as in many other places, we are short of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1236</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gil, I myself was slightly torn, because there were arguments in both directions. But in the end I was encouraged by something I found on a reputable page on the internet (connected with the Guardian newspaper) that gave examples of phrases such as ``triple jump champion&#039;&#039; (that wasn&#039;t one of their examples but it will do), where the first two words go so naturally together that a hyphen seems excessive. Once it became clear that this situation arises in non-mathematical language as well, I felt happier about the idea of doing the same for things like ``fixed point theorem&#039;&#039;. Since my instincts about when hyphens are needed were the same as those of most people who have commented above (it was virtually everybody at first, but then a few serious hyphen fans made themselves known), and appeared to conform to standard mathematical practice (to judge from Google searches), we have gone for not always hyphenating. In particular, just ``three-body problem&#039;&#039; has been hyphenated, out of the examples I gave. But we argued about it quite a lot before coming to that decision, and didn&#039;t really reach complete agreement. Incidentally, for the last couple of weeks it has been too late to make any changes to the Princeton Companion, which is scheduled to appear in November.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil, I myself was slightly torn, because there were arguments in both directions. But in the end I was encouraged by something I found on a reputable page on the internet (connected with the Guardian newspaper) that gave examples of phrases such as &#8220;triple jump champion&#8221; (that wasn&#8217;t one of their examples but it will do), where the first two words go so naturally together that a hyphen seems excessive. Once it became clear that this situation arises in non-mathematical language as well, I felt happier about the idea of doing the same for things like &#8220;fixed point theorem&#8221;. Since my instincts about when hyphens are needed were the same as those of most people who have commented above (it was virtually everybody at first, but then a few serious hyphen fans made themselves known), and appeared to conform to standard mathematical practice (to judge from Google searches), we have gone for not always hyphenating. In particular, just &#8220;three-body problem&#8221; has been hyphenated, out of the examples I gave. But we argued about it quite a lot before coming to that decision, and didn&#8217;t really reach complete agreement. Incidentally, for the last couple of weeks it has been too late to make any changes to the Princeton Companion, which is scheduled to appear in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Tim, What was decided at the end regarding hyphenation? --Gil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tim, What was decided at the end regarding hyphenation? &#8211;Gil</p>
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		<title>By: beans</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read through (about) half of the comments, and realised that I am another one of the few who would put a hyphen for all three! I don&#039;t really know much about whether they need hyphens (which I aim to find out) and I don&#039;t mind without, but the hyphen is asking to be put there.

Then again I do have an issue with placing dashes and semi colons in silly places...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through (about) half of the comments, and realised that I am another one of the few who would put a hyphen for all three! I don&#8217;t really know much about whether they need hyphens (which I aim to find out) and I don&#8217;t mind without, but the hyphen is asking to be put there.</p>
<p>Then again I do have an issue with placing dashes and semi colons in silly places&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Catleigh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hyphen
In Modern English Usage Fowler makes an elaborate study of the hyphen. He begins engagingly by pointing out that &quot;superfluous hair-remover&quot; can only mean a hair-remover that nobody wants, and he proceeds to work out a code of rules for the proper use of the hyphen. He admits that the result of following his rules &quot;will often differ from current usage&quot;. But, he adds, &quot;that usage is so variable as to be better named caprice&quot;. The author of the style-book of the Oxford University Press of New York (quoted in Perrin&#039;s Writer&#039;s Guide) strikes the same note when he says &quot;If you take hyphens seriously you will surely go mad&quot;.

I have no intention of taking hyphens seriously. Those who wish to do so I leave to Fowler&#039;s eleven columns. If I attempted to lay down any rules I should certainly go astray, and give advice not seemly to be followed. For instance, the general practice of hyphening co when it is attached as a prefix to a word beginning with a vowel has always seemed to me absurd, especially as it leads to such possibilities of misunderstanding as unco-ordinated must present to a Scotsman. If it is objected that ambiguity may result, and readers may be puzzled whether coop is something to put a hen in or a profit-sharing association, this should be removed by a diaeresis (coöp) not a hyphen (co-op). That is what a diaeresis is for. 

I will attempt no more than to give a few elementary warnings. 

(i) Do not use hyphens unnecessarily. If, for instance, you must use overall as an adjective (though this is not recommended) write it like that, and not over-all.

But if you do split a word with a hyphen, make sure you split it at the main break. Though you may write self-conscious, if you wish to have a hyphen in the word, you must not write unself-conscious but un-selfconscious.

(ii) To prevent ambiguity a hyphen should be used in a compound adjective (e.g. well-written, first-class, six-inch, copper-coloured). The omission of a hyphen between government and financed in the following sentence throws the reader on to a false scent: 

When Government financed projects in the development areas have been grouped. 
But remember that words which form parts of compound adjectives when they precede a noun may stand on their own feet when they follow it, and then they must not be hyphened. &quot;A badly-written letter&quot; needs a hyphen, but &quot;the letter was badly written&quot; does not. There must be hyphens in &quot;the balance-of-payment difficulties&quot; but not in &quot;the difficulties are over the balance of payments&quot;.

(iii) Avoid as far as possible the practice of separating a pair of hyphenated words, leaving a hyphen in mid-air. To do this is to misuse the hyphen (whose proper function is to link a word with its immediate neighbour) and it has a slovenly look. The saving of one word cannot justify writing

Where chaplains (whole- or part-time) have been appointed
instead of &quot;where chaplains have been appointed, whole-time or part-time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyphen<br />
In Modern English Usage Fowler makes an elaborate study of the hyphen. He begins engagingly by pointing out that &#8220;superfluous hair-remover&#8221; can only mean a hair-remover that nobody wants, and he proceeds to work out a code of rules for the proper use of the hyphen. He admits that the result of following his rules &#8220;will often differ from current usage&#8221;. But, he adds, &#8220;that usage is so variable as to be better named caprice&#8221;. The author of the style-book of the Oxford University Press of New York (quoted in Perrin&#8217;s Writer&#8217;s Guide) strikes the same note when he says &#8220;If you take hyphens seriously you will surely go mad&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have no intention of taking hyphens seriously. Those who wish to do so I leave to Fowler&#8217;s eleven columns. If I attempted to lay down any rules I should certainly go astray, and give advice not seemly to be followed. For instance, the general practice of hyphening co when it is attached as a prefix to a word beginning with a vowel has always seemed to me absurd, especially as it leads to such possibilities of misunderstanding as unco-ordinated must present to a Scotsman. If it is objected that ambiguity may result, and readers may be puzzled whether coop is something to put a hen in or a profit-sharing association, this should be removed by a diaeresis (coöp) not a hyphen (co-op). That is what a diaeresis is for. </p>
<p>I will attempt no more than to give a few elementary warnings. </p>
<p>(i) Do not use hyphens unnecessarily. If, for instance, you must use overall as an adjective (though this is not recommended) write it like that, and not over-all.</p>
<p>But if you do split a word with a hyphen, make sure you split it at the main break. Though you may write self-conscious, if you wish to have a hyphen in the word, you must not write unself-conscious but un-selfconscious.</p>
<p>(ii) To prevent ambiguity a hyphen should be used in a compound adjective (e.g. well-written, first-class, six-inch, copper-coloured). The omission of a hyphen between government and financed in the following sentence throws the reader on to a false scent: </p>
<p>When Government financed projects in the development areas have been grouped.<br />
But remember that words which form parts of compound adjectives when they precede a noun may stand on their own feet when they follow it, and then they must not be hyphened. &#8220;A badly-written letter&#8221; needs a hyphen, but &#8220;the letter was badly written&#8221; does not. There must be hyphens in &#8220;the balance-of-payment difficulties&#8221; but not in &#8220;the difficulties are over the balance of payments&#8221;.</p>
<p>(iii) Avoid as far as possible the practice of separating a pair of hyphenated words, leaving a hyphen in mid-air. To do this is to misuse the hyphen (whose proper function is to link a word with its immediate neighbour) and it has a slovenly look. The saving of one word cannot justify writing</p>
<p>Where chaplains (whole- or part-time) have been appointed<br />
instead of &#8220;where chaplains have been appointed, whole-time or part-time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1146</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why don&#039;t you just ask your grandfather?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why don&#8217;t you just ask your grandfather?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Wilton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Wilton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Peter (and against the majority, apparently).  They seem easier to parse with hyphens, convention notwithstanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Peter (and against the majority, apparently).  They seem easier to parse with hyphens, convention notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bennet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If akin to proper names, why not use capital letters for all three words when they appear together? Although strictly unnecessary to decode the meaning, this might make it evident at first reading (though this may be inconsistent with other naming conventions in the book).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If akin to proper names, why not use capital letters for all three words when they appear together? Although strictly unnecessary to decode the meaning, this might make it evident at first reading (though this may be inconsistent with other naming conventions in the book).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Shor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think these expressions are slightly easier for the reader to parse with hyphens, so I&#039;d go with hyphens (forget about strict rules of grammar; ease of reading should be the actual criterion in ambiguous cases like these).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these expressions are slightly easier for the reader to parse with hyphens, so I&#8217;d go with hyphens (forget about strict rules of grammar; ease of reading should be the actual criterion in ambiguous cases like these).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems natural to me. Apostol does this in his book &#039;Mathematical Analysis&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems natural to me. Apostol does this in his book &#8216;Mathematical Analysis&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hypatia</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hypatia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this quote and I hope Eric Schechter doesn&#039;t mind my using it:

The English language was not designed for mathematical clarity. Indeed, most of the English language was not really designed at all – it simply grew. It is not always perfectly clear. Mathematicians must build their communication on top of English [or replace English with whatever is your native or local language], and so they must work to overcome the weaknesses of English. Communicating clearly is an art that takes great practice, and that can never be entirely perfected.   
Eric Schechter, Associate Professor
Department of Mathematics
Vanderbilt University

Certainly leave out the hyphens, if you prefer. If questioned, you can always state that it is standard mathematical form. Really, who is going to question a Fields medalist on standard mathematical form! But please, do not leave out the &#039;extra&#039; l in travelling. That is simply a uniquely American spelling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this quote and I hope Eric Schechter doesn&#8217;t mind my using it:</p>
<p>The English language was not designed for mathematical clarity. Indeed, most of the English language was not really designed at all – it simply grew. It is not always perfectly clear. Mathematicians must build their communication on top of English [or replace English with whatever is your native or local language], and so they must work to overcome the weaknesses of English. Communicating clearly is an art that takes great practice, and that can never be entirely perfected.<br />
Eric Schechter, Associate Professor<br />
Department of Mathematics<br />
Vanderbilt University</p>
<p>Certainly leave out the hyphens, if you prefer. If questioned, you can always state that it is standard mathematical form. Really, who is going to question a Fields medalist on standard mathematical form! But please, do not leave out the &#8216;extra&#8217; l in travelling. That is simply a uniquely American spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: gowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harrison, just in answer to your query about the Tricks Wiki, I must apologize that that is not yet up and running -- the Princeton Companion has taken longer to be completely finished than I thought possible -- but I can assure you that the project is not dead. A lot of work has gone into the technical side, so even if I weren&#039;t interested in the idea any more (which I definitely am) I would be morally obliged to press on with it. I think it&#039;s likely to be another couple of months before it gets going, but before then I may well find myself asking the blogosphere for further advice about how precisely it should work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrison, just in answer to your query about the Tricks Wiki, I must apologize that that is not yet up and running &#8212; the Princeton Companion has taken longer to be completely finished than I thought possible &#8212; but I can assure you that the project is not dead. A lot of work has gone into the technical side, so even if I weren&#8217;t interested in the idea any more (which I definitely am) I would be morally obliged to press on with it. I think it&#8217;s likely to be another couple of months before it gets going, but before then I may well find myself asking the blogosphere for further advice about how precisely it should work.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three-body problem is fine.  All the others would look weird to me if they were hyphenated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three-body problem is fine.  All the others would look weird to me if they were hyphenated.</p>
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		<title>By: JSE</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JSE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My opinions about punctuation, usually idiosyncratic, agree here with everyone else&#039;s, so I&#039;ll use this space just to say -- congratulations on the near-end of this immense project!  I&#039;m eagerly awaiting the final product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinions about punctuation, usually idiosyncratic, agree here with everyone else&#8217;s, so I&#8217;ll use this space just to say &#8212; congratulations on the near-end of this immense project!  I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting the final product.</p>
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		<title>By: gcd calculator!</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gcd calculator!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi! I programmed an attractive online calculator that find the greatest common divisor(GCD) between two numbers. I will be happy, if you add the link in your blog. I hope that you and your visitors will enjoy!  
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http://gcd.awardspace.com
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bye!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I programmed an attractive online calculator that find the greatest common divisor(GCD) between two numbers. I will be happy, if you add the link in your blog. I hope that you and your visitors will enjoy!<br />
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<a href="http://gcd.awardspace.com" rel="nofollow">http://gcd.awardspace.com</a><br />
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bye!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Borns</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gil,

It&#039;s a rational proposal, but I don&#039;t always stand by it. I wouldn&#039;t insist on hyphenating a phrase that is ambiguous to the layman but not to the specialist if no one else does. Convention trumps rationality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a rational proposal, but I don&#8217;t always stand by it. I wouldn&#8217;t insist on hyphenating a phrase that is ambiguous to the layman but not to the specialist if no one else does. Convention trumps rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harrison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that all except possibly &quot;three-body problem&quot; should be left unhyphenated. I wouldn&#039;t find something like &quot;intermediate-value theorem&quot; to be wrong and strange-looking, but I have been put off by typographical or nomenclative deviations before. (See e.g. David Mermin&#039;s continued use of &quot;Qbit&quot; for what everyone else calls a qubit.) 

OT: Is there anything new to report on the &quot;tricks wiki?&quot; I&#039;ve been wondering about that for months, but there&#039;s been no sign of whether the project is even alive, which is disappointing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that all except possibly &#8220;three-body problem&#8221; should be left unhyphenated. I wouldn&#8217;t find something like &#8220;intermediate-value theorem&#8221; to be wrong and strange-looking, but I have been put off by typographical or nomenclative deviations before. (See e.g. David Mermin&#8217;s continued use of &#8220;Qbit&#8221; for what everyone else calls a qubit.) </p>
<p>OT: Is there anything new to report on the &#8220;tricks wiki?&#8221; I&#8217;ve been wondering about that for months, but there&#8217;s been no sign of whether the project is even alive, which is disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Watson</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Less is more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less is more.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trying to apply Mike Born&#039;s extremely rational proposal, I think that for a name of a theorem, conjecture, problem,  or equation, most usually hyphens are not needed. In a phrase &quot;X Y Theorem,&quot; usually &#039;X&#039; modifies &#039;Y&#039;. Only rarely &#039;X&#039; modifies &#039;theorem&#039; (like &quot;Hard Lefschetz theorem&quot;), and I am not aware of cases of ambiguity. In other math cases, applying Mikes&#039; rule, you do need hyphens. Like &quot;quantum error-correction&quot; or &quot;spontaneous error-synchronization&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to apply Mike Born&#8217;s extremely rational proposal, I think that for a name of a theorem, conjecture, problem,  or equation, most usually hyphens are not needed. In a phrase &#8220;X Y Theorem,&#8221; usually &#8216;X&#8217; modifies &#8216;Y&#8217;. Only rarely &#8216;X&#8217; modifies &#8216;theorem&#8217; (like &#8220;Hard Lefschetz theorem&#8221;), and I am not aware of cases of ambiguity. In other math cases, applying Mikes&#8217; rule, you do need hyphens. Like &#8220;quantum error-correction&#8221; or &#8220;spontaneous error-synchronization&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Borns</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Borns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a non-mathematician who edits mathematics articles for a living. My rule of thumb for the hyphenation of three-word compounds is: hyphenate only when the first word can be construed as modifying more than one of the other two words. 

My non-mathematical example: California history teacher. 

In this example, &quot;California&quot; can conceivably modify &quot;history,&quot; &quot;teacher,&quot; or both. Therefore, a hyphen is called for. &quot;California-history teacher&quot; is a teacher of California history, &quot;California history-teacher&quot; is &quot;a history teacher from California, and &quot;California-history-teacher&quot; is a teacher of California history from California.

I don&#039;t take hyphens lightly. If there&#039;s no ambiguity, I don&#039;t use them!  

As for &quot;intermediate value theorem,&quot; &quot;traveling salesman problem,&quot; &quot;twin prime conjecture,&quot; and &quot;minimal surface equation,&quot; I leave these to you mathematicians to determine whether or not they contain ambiguities. (&quot;Three-body problem&quot; is hyphenated by the always-hyphenate-if-the- first-word-is-a-number-and-it-modifies-the-second-word-in-a-three- word-compound rule.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a non-mathematician who edits mathematics articles for a living. My rule of thumb for the hyphenation of three-word compounds is: hyphenate only when the first word can be construed as modifying more than one of the other two words. </p>
<p>My non-mathematical example: California history teacher. </p>
<p>In this example, &#8220;California&#8221; can conceivably modify &#8220;history,&#8221; &#8220;teacher,&#8221; or both. Therefore, a hyphen is called for. &#8220;California-history teacher&#8221; is a teacher of California history, &#8220;California history-teacher&#8221; is &#8220;a history teacher from California, and &#8220;California-history-teacher&#8221; is a teacher of California history from California.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take hyphens lightly. If there&#8217;s no ambiguity, I don&#8217;t use them!  </p>
<p>As for &#8220;intermediate value theorem,&#8221; &#8220;traveling salesman problem,&#8221; &#8220;twin prime conjecture,&#8221; and &#8220;minimal surface equation,&#8221; I leave these to you mathematicians to determine whether or not they contain ambiguities. (&#8220;Three-body problem&#8221; is hyphenated by the always-hyphenate-if-the- first-word-is-a-number-and-it-modifies-the-second-word-in-a-three- word-compound rule.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disclaimer: Off topic. 

You need/ought to get a &quot;bot checker&quot;, before the comments section gets flooded with garbage. I&#039;ve had the problem myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: Off topic. </p>
<p>You need/ought to get a &#8220;bot checker&#8221;, before the comments section gets flooded with garbage. I&#8217;ve had the problem myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Brief argument against: the cases above are exceptions because they are a bit like proper names: the first two words are not really functioning as an adjective that describes the main, third, word; rather, the three words form a single phrase. In addition, the lack of hyphen does not lead to any conceivable ambiguity.&lt;/i&gt;


I go with this. I think convention has a important role to play too -- most readers are used to reading the above mentioned titles as proper names. Using the hyphen might throw in some confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Brief argument against: the cases above are exceptions because they are a bit like proper names: the first two words are not really functioning as an adjective that describes the main, third, word; rather, the three words form a single phrase. In addition, the lack of hyphen does not lead to any conceivable ambiguity.</i></p>
<p>I go with this. I think convention has a important role to play too &#8212; most readers are used to reading the above mentioned titles as proper names. Using the hyphen might throw in some confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Wells</title>
		<link>http://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/punctuation-question/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Wells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seem to be marching to another drummer than your other commenters.  The example that needs a hyphen in my opinion is &quot;minimal-surface equation&quot;.  The others can have hyphens or not, I don&#039;t care.  Hyphens in these situations certainly don&#039;t irritate me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to be marching to another drummer than your other commenters.  The example that needs a hyphen in my opinion is &#8220;minimal-surface equation&#8221;.  The others can have hyphens or not, I don&#8217;t care.  Hyphens in these situations certainly don&#8217;t irritate me.</p>
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